Comments on: Murray Chass: Reality is not my friend http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/08/murray-chass-reality-is-not-my-friend/ Media, Baseball, Boston, the Red Sox, Music, Literature, and Mnookins Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:05:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Ron http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/08/murray-chass-reality-is-not-my-friend/#comment-234 Ron Wed, 09 Aug 2006 02:13:01 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/08/murray-chass-reality-is-not-my-friend/#comment-234 Most sophisticated baseball fans acknowledge the nonlinearity of baseball analysis, yet we struggle to disprove that. James' Win Shares certainly comes as quantitatively close to doing that as anything I've seen, including the Total Player Rating (TPR) system. In medicine, we call the 'qualitative' decision-making algorithm the 'Mother Rule', as in 'what would you do if it were your mother?' The baseball corollary would be 'who would you want up at the plate in the critical situation' (presuming no alternative except pitching to the batter)? Every analysis becomes nuanced by our assignment of relative importance to what we value. I like to look at Sox' players performance relative to their positional peers. Ortiz is slightly behind Hafner and Thome in OPS but ahead in runs created. Manny has an Olympian lead quantitatively over AL leftfielders. It's Scylla or Charybdis not the Lady or the Tiger. Most sophisticated baseball fans acknowledge the nonlinearity of baseball analysis, yet we struggle to disprove that. James’ Win Shares certainly comes as quantitatively close to doing that as anything I’ve seen, including the Total Player Rating (TPR) system.

In medicine, we call the ‘qualitative’ decision-making algorithm the ‘Mother Rule’, as in ‘what would you do if it were your mother?’ The baseball corollary would be ‘who would you want up at the plate in the critical situation’ (presuming no alternative except pitching to the batter)?

Every analysis becomes nuanced by our assignment of relative importance to what we value. I like to look at Sox’ players performance relative to their positional peers. Ortiz is slightly behind Hafner and Thome in OPS but ahead in runs created. Manny has an Olympian lead quantitatively over AL leftfielders. It’s Scylla or Charybdis not the Lady or the Tiger.

]]> By: Retire_Number_14 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/08/murray-chass-reality-is-not-my-friend/#comment-232 Retire_Number_14 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 19:18:59 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/08/murray-chass-reality-is-not-my-friend/#comment-232 First, I take issue with any baseball column that uses the word "profligacy" in the third sentence. Especially when the author of said column writes about teams in New York City for a living. Point: One of the main definitions of "profligate," the adjective, is "wildly extravagant." What word better describes the spending habits of our favorite foils from the Bronx? Have the Sox "completely given up to dissipation" or have they shown "dissolute indulgence in sensual pleasure" by not making a trading deadline deal? My, that's harsh, and literally incorrect. But I digress. Chass's command of the English language is second only to his complete ignorance of the fact that no team in baseball, even our beloved number-two-payroll Red Sox, can compete on the same financial playing field as the Bombers. Lose a right fielder? Take on Bobby Abreu's salary at $16 mil per. No sweat. Just how many Yanks make more than $10 million a year now? Lose Matsui? Geez, looks like Giambi will actually have to play the field for a while. (BTW, Great post by zoowah, this is a story that is under-covered. Giambi gets the only free pass in the steroid mania for apologizing for, well, sucking.) To say that the Sox "should" be way ahead is ludicrous. To even be in the race with only one proven starter is more than you could ask for. Sure, our pitching stinks right now, but by my count the Sox have lost exactly eight games all season that they "should" have won. Unfortunately, four of those are within the last month, including the 19-inning marathon at the ballpark without a soul. SM, Thanks for providing the most intelligent Sox blog on the Web. First, I take issue with any baseball column that uses the word “profligacy” in the third sentence. Especially when the author of said column writes about teams in New York City for a living. Point: One of the main definitions of “profligate,” the adjective, is “wildly extravagant.” What word better describes the spending habits of our favorite foils from the Bronx? Have the Sox “completely given up to dissipation” or have they shown “dissolute indulgence in sensual pleasure” by not making a trading deadline deal? My, that’s harsh, and literally incorrect. But I digress.
Chass’s command of the English language is second only to his complete ignorance of the fact that no team in baseball, even our beloved number-two-payroll Red Sox, can compete on the same financial playing field as the Bombers. Lose a right fielder? Take on Bobby Abreu’s salary at $16 mil per. No sweat. Just how many Yanks make more than $10 million a year now? Lose Matsui? Geez, looks like Giambi will actually have to play the field for a while. (BTW, Great post by zoowah, this is a story that is under-covered. Giambi gets the only free pass in the steroid mania for apologizing for, well, sucking.)
To say that the Sox “should” be way ahead is ludicrous. To even be in the race with only one proven starter is more than you could ask for. Sure, our pitching stinks right now, but by my count the Sox have lost exactly eight games all season that they “should” have won. Unfortunately, four of those are within the last month, including the 19-inning marathon at the ballpark without a soul.
SM, Thanks for providing the most intelligent Sox blog on the Web.

]]> By: crimsonohsix http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/08/murray-chass-reality-is-not-my-friend/#comment-231 crimsonohsix Tue, 08 Aug 2006 18:04:17 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/08/murray-chass-reality-is-not-my-friend/#comment-231 How much does an average NYTimes sports columnist make? Just curious... How much does an average NYTimes sports columnist make? Just curious…

]]> By: VincentD http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/08/murray-chass-reality-is-not-my-friend/#comment-230 VincentD Tue, 08 Aug 2006 17:50:34 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/08/murray-chass-reality-is-not-my-friend/#comment-230 Chass's writing is moronic, and seems designed simply to provoke. It's clear that writers in the NYTimes sports section get little scrutiny, if any. But Chass simply flings out dumbness; he's the paper version of the sports radio shout-fest host---there was, for example, his series of articles a while ago complaining about Congress looking at steroid use in baseball, pooh-poohing the interest in the topic. He's gone silent on that. There was, too, his quick dismissal of the Red Sox World Series victory in 2004. When confronted by email on it, he claimed he wasn't a Yankees fan, or a fan of any team. Ho ho. Chass’s writing is moronic, and seems designed simply to provoke. It’s clear that writers in the NYTimes sports section get little scrutiny, if any. But Chass simply flings out dumbness; he’s the paper version of the sports radio shout-fest host—there was, for example, his series of articles a while ago complaining about Congress looking at steroid use in baseball, pooh-poohing the interest in the topic. He’s gone silent on that. There was, too, his quick dismissal of the Red Sox World Series victory in 2004. When confronted by email on it, he claimed he wasn’t a Yankees fan, or a fan of any team. Ho ho.

]]> By: gmschmidty http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/08/murray-chass-reality-is-not-my-friend/#comment-229 gmschmidty Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:20:14 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/08/murray-chass-reality-is-not-my-friend/#comment-229 I will not be in KC tonight, although I was there last year for two August games (both hot, disappointing losses, if I recall correctly.) Let's hope for a sweep to right this ship. Murray Chass- What can you really say about that article other than it appears, with last night's off-day for the AL East powerhouses, Murray was looking to fill some column space by flinging some mud (and what better way to do that than to kick it up between the Red Sox and Yanks!) The problem with Chass' assessment is that it is entirely self-defeating. The injuries the Yankees sustained last year, when the Red Sox took a small lead for the early months, were all inuries to the pitching staff. At that time there were a few inuries to the every day players on the Red Sox as well (Johnny Damon, Trot Nixon, John Olerud, Gabe Kapler) but the general consensus among sportswriters, including Chass, was that Joe Torre could very well be considered Manger of the Year for keeping his team in the hunt without some starting pitchers, because this was a bigger loss than the everyday players who can be replaced with utility guys, etc. Now this year the tables have turned. The Sox are pitching with a weaker-than-advertised Josh Beckett, a healthy and effective Curt Schilling, and...well, and some guys I think they found at the airport on some of their road-trips. Yet, you don't hear Chass calling for Tito to be Manager of the year, for piecing together the staff, and for motivating the masses. To say that it is the Red Sox fault for not pulling away from the Yankees while the Yanks were missing two of their big bats sort of ignores the fact that the Yankees still had five position players and two pitchers named to the All-Star team, doesn't it? But to ignore that the Sox maintained first place with only TWO of their starting rotation pitchers, is downright stupid. Geoffrey I will not be in KC tonight, although I was there last year for two August games (both hot, disappointing losses, if I recall correctly.) Let’s hope for a sweep to right this ship.

Murray Chass- What can you really say about that article other than it appears, with last night’s off-day for the AL East powerhouses, Murray was looking to fill some column space by flinging some mud (and what better way to do that than to kick it up between the Red Sox and Yanks!) The problem with Chass’ assessment is that it is entirely self-defeating. The injuries the Yankees sustained last year, when the Red Sox took a small lead for the early months, were all inuries to the pitching staff. At that time there were a few inuries to the every day players on the Red Sox as well (Johnny Damon, Trot Nixon, John Olerud, Gabe Kapler) but the general consensus among sportswriters, including Chass, was that Joe Torre could very well be considered Manger of the Year for keeping his team in the hunt without some starting pitchers, because this was a bigger loss than the everyday players who can be replaced with utility guys, etc. Now this year the tables have turned. The Sox are pitching with a weaker-than-advertised Josh Beckett, a healthy and effective Curt Schilling, and…well, and some guys I think they found at the airport on some of their road-trips. Yet, you don’t hear Chass calling for Tito to be Manager of the year, for piecing together the staff, and for motivating the masses.

To say that it is the Red Sox fault for not pulling away from the Yankees while the Yanks were missing two of their big bats sort of ignores the fact that the Yankees still had five position players and two pitchers named to the All-Star team, doesn’t it? But to ignore that the Sox maintained first place with only TWO of their starting rotation pitchers, is downright stupid.

Geoffrey

]]> By: zoowah http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/08/murray-chass-reality-is-not-my-friend/#comment-228 zoowah Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:50:46 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/08/murray-chass-reality-is-not-my-friend/#comment-228 Kudos for again taking on Chass and his inanities. Someone has to, since his editors don't. I also noticed the way Chass and his comrades were daily willing to take a hard-nosed look at Giambi's steroid use until...well, until the day he started hitting better! How quickly the story was dropped. Call it what you will, but it's not respectable journalism. But alas, Seth, you're not sufficiently distracting us Sox fans. Sad, sad, sad weeks ahead. Can you tap dance? Offer a TV and radio buy back? Tell us warm tales of the Future? Kudos for again taking on Chass and his inanities. Someone has to, since his editors don’t. I also noticed the way Chass and his comrades were daily willing to take a hard-nosed look at Giambi’s steroid use until…well, until the day he started hitting better! How quickly the story was dropped. Call it what you will, but it’s not respectable journalism.

But alas, Seth, you’re not sufficiently distracting us Sox fans. Sad, sad, sad weeks ahead. Can you tap dance? Offer a TV and radio buy back? Tell us warm tales of the Future?

]]> By: kml1258 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/08/murray-chass-reality-is-not-my-friend/#comment-227 kml1258 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:34:30 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/08/murray-chass-reality-is-not-my-friend/#comment-227 Just like all things New York, they have a jaded idea of reality. Whether it's baseball or their importance in society. What strikes me reading the article is who does any fact checking at that "rag". Seriously, I live in Kansas City and think more of the Star's sports section than the NYT. By the way, any Bostonians going to be in KC tonight? Just like all things New York, they have a jaded idea of reality. Whether it’s baseball or their importance in society. What strikes me reading the article is who does any fact checking at that “rag”. Seriously, I live in Kansas City and think more of the Star’s sports section than the NYT.

By the way, any Bostonians going to be in KC tonight?

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