Comments on: Remind me why we had to take this guy as a throw-in in the Lowell trade? http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/15/remind-me-why-we-had-to-take-this-guy-as-a-throw-in-in-the-lowell-trade/ Media, Baseball, Boston, the Red Sox, Music, Literature, and Mnookins Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:11:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Mr. Furious http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/15/remind-me-why-we-had-to-take-this-guy-as-a-throw-in-in-the-lowell-trade/#comment-321 Mr. Furious Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:53:54 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/15/remind-me-why-we-had-to-take-this-guy-as-a-throw-in-in-the-lowell-trade/#comment-321 I grew up a Sox fan, but have lived in Michigan for the last five years. I've sort of adopted the Tigers as a second team and after watching this team struggle (suck) for years, it is rewarding to see it all come together for them. Particularly watching the young pitchers mature. I had Bonderman and Robertson on my fantasy squad two years ago and I would argue they were pitching better then than Beckett is now. Beckett has been in the majors how long? All three of the Tigers young studs (Verlander, Bonderman and Robertson) are younger than Beckett and pitching with much more maturity. I place this blame squarely on Beckett and his outsized ego, and Tito and Nipper for not yanking his ass off the mound after shaking off calls only to serve one up. And Javy Lopex should be nailed to the bench when Beckett starts. Every little bit helps. And Schilling? Get off you ass and give this kid the talk you claim Clemens gave you, already. -- All of that said, I entered this series hoping to split the difference with my "two" teams. Tigers needed the win last night, and I didn't mind seeing Beckett lose. Sox need the next two. And Beckett could learn a few things watching Tigers video—their youngsters know how to <i>pitch</i> (Zumaya excepted—he's Beckett with a few more mph). I grew up a Sox fan, but have lived in Michigan for the last five years. I’ve sort of adopted the Tigers as a second team and after watching this team struggle (suck) for years, it is rewarding to see it all come together for them. Particularly watching the young pitchers mature. I had Bonderman and Robertson on my fantasy squad two years ago and I would argue they were pitching better then than Beckett is now.

Beckett has been in the majors how long? All three of the Tigers young studs (Verlander, Bonderman and Robertson) are younger than Beckett and pitching with much more maturity. I place this blame squarely on Beckett and his outsized ego, and Tito and Nipper for not yanking his ass off the mound after shaking off calls only to serve one up.

And Javy Lopex should be nailed to the bench when Beckett starts. Every little bit helps.

And Schilling? Get off you ass and give this kid the talk you claim Clemens gave you, already.

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All of that said, I entered this series hoping to split the difference with my “two” teams. Tigers needed the win last night, and I didn’t mind seeing Beckett lose. Sox need the next two. And Beckett could learn a few things watching Tigers video—their youngsters know how to pitch (Zumaya excepted—he’s Beckett with a few more mph).

]]> By: zoowah http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/15/remind-me-why-we-had-to-take-this-guy-as-a-throw-in-in-the-lowell-trade/#comment-315 zoowah Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:34:04 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/15/remind-me-why-we-had-to-take-this-guy-as-a-throw-in-in-the-lowell-trade/#comment-315 Maybe if Curt sits down and gives him The Talk. Maybe if Curt and Roger sit down and give him The Talk. Maybe if Curt and Roger and The Can sit down and give him the Talk. I miss The Can. http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2005/05/17/rusty_can_says_hes_returnable/ Maybe if Curt sits down and gives him The Talk.
Maybe if Curt and Roger sit down and give him The Talk.
Maybe if Curt and Roger and The Can sit down and give him the Talk.

I miss The Can.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2005/05/17/rusty_can_says_hes_returnable/

]]> By: Nordberg http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/15/remind-me-why-we-had-to-take-this-guy-as-a-throw-in-in-the-lowell-trade/#comment-313 Nordberg Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:05:49 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/15/remind-me-why-we-had-to-take-this-guy-as-a-throw-in-in-the-lowell-trade/#comment-313 Beckett, I think, needs to grow up. Not saying that as an insult. Professional hitters will eat you up if you're not on. It's time for him to take that next step to stay ahead of them. Second, it's time for the Boston media to stop giving him a free pass. The honeymoon is over. He deserved much more heat over last night's loss than Hale. Third, I want to remind you, Seth, that I backed you on the Pedro stuff early on. You were right, and now the evidence clearly shows that the Sox were right not to resign him. Beckett, I think, needs to grow up. Not saying that as an insult. Professional hitters will eat you up if you’re not on. It’s time for him to take that next step to stay ahead of them.

Second, it’s time for the Boston media to stop giving him a free pass. The honeymoon is over. He deserved much more heat over last night’s loss than Hale.

Third, I want to remind you, Seth, that I backed you on the Pedro stuff early on. You were right, and now the evidence clearly shows that the Sox were right not to resign him.

]]> By: djarm18 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/15/remind-me-why-we-had-to-take-this-guy-as-a-throw-in-in-the-lowell-trade/#comment-312 djarm18 Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:05:24 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/15/remind-me-why-we-had-to-take-this-guy-as-a-throw-in-in-the-lowell-trade/#comment-312 ...And we’d do well to remember how young he is, almost exactly the same age as rookie Jonathan Papelbon... I do not agree with you here. What happened to Josh Becket, winner of game 6 at Yankee Stadium, blah blah? He's now as green as Paplebon? From what I read here, I am assuming Becket is shaking off pitches and trying to overpower everybody. Is it too late in the season for somebody to approach him and make some adjustments? And is there any truth to the notion 'Tek is going to call pitches from the bench when he can return to the team? It sounds absurd, but brilliantly whimsical. If the game were only that easy. …And we’d do well to remember how young he is, almost exactly the same age as rookie Jonathan Papelbon…

I do not agree with you here. What happened to Josh Becket, winner of game 6 at Yankee Stadium, blah blah? He’s now as green as Paplebon? From what I read here, I am assuming Becket is shaking off pitches and trying to overpower everybody. Is it too late in the season for somebody to approach him and make some adjustments?

And is there any truth to the notion ‘Tek is going to call pitches from the bench when he can return to the team? It sounds absurd, but brilliantly whimsical. If the game were only that easy.

]]> By: djarm18 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/15/remind-me-why-we-had-to-take-this-guy-as-a-throw-in-in-the-lowell-trade/#comment-311 djarm18 Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:24:27 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/15/remind-me-why-we-had-to-take-this-guy-as-a-throw-in-in-the-lowell-trade/#comment-311 Seth, you're right on about Pedro, it just seems we would rather not believe it because JB has not erased his memory. But I really do not miss the buzz that surrounded Pedro. It was exciting but his starts against the Yanks were nerve racking- always with the drama! >>And we’d do well to remember how young he is, almost exactly the same age as rookie Jonathan Papelbon. Seth, you’re right on about Pedro, it just seems we would rather not believe it because JB has not erased his memory. But I really do not miss the buzz that surrounded Pedro. It was exciting but his starts against the Yanks were nerve racking- always with the drama!

>>And we’d do well to remember how young he is, almost exactly the same age as rookie Jonathan Papelbon.

]]> By: Ogie Oglethorpe http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/15/remind-me-why-we-had-to-take-this-guy-as-a-throw-in-in-the-lowell-trade/#comment-309 Ogie Oglethorpe Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:35:43 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/15/remind-me-why-we-had-to-take-this-guy-as-a-throw-in-in-the-lowell-trade/#comment-309 I hope this isn't the Beckett that we will be seeing going forward either. He needs to be less reliant on his fastball and use his curve to set up the fastball. It just seems that batters will not offer at anything but his heater. The only thing I have to say about Hale is that I forgot he is actually a member of the coaching staff. That tells you something. I don't need to see Pedro breaking down in a Red Sox uniform. I prefer to remember him striking out 17 Yankees in the Bronx. I wish the guy the best but even he knew that he was not able to be effective in the AL anymore. I'm convinced that he had no intention of coming back. Damon could be going through the same thing a couple of years from now. I'm still convinced that letting JD go was a sound decision. If you don't believe me compare his stats vs. Youkilis' for this season. Youk is doing at least as good of a job as Damon at a fraction of the price. Granted that he has spent some time batting 5th recently. I hope this isn’t the Beckett that we will be seeing going forward either. He needs to be less reliant on his fastball and use his curve to set up the fastball. It just seems that batters will not offer at anything but his heater.

The only thing I have to say about Hale is that I forgot he is actually a member of the coaching staff. That tells you something.

I don’t need to see Pedro breaking down in a Red Sox uniform. I prefer to remember him striking out 17 Yankees in the Bronx. I wish the guy the best but even he knew that he was not able to be effective in the AL anymore. I’m convinced that he had no intention of coming back. Damon could be going through the same thing a couple of years from now. I’m still convinced that letting JD go was a sound decision. If you don’t believe me compare his stats vs. Youkilis’ for this season. Youk is doing at least as good of a job as Damon at a fraction of the price. Granted that he has spent some time batting 5th recently.

]]> By: greperry http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/15/remind-me-why-we-had-to-take-this-guy-as-a-throw-in-in-the-lowell-trade/#comment-308 greperry Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:21:42 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/08/15/remind-me-why-we-had-to-take-this-guy-as-a-throw-in-in-the-lowell-trade/#comment-308 This question is admittedly coming from some ignorance. But here goes. Could some of the pitching problems come from ineffective pitching coaching. In other words, does Al Nipper get some of the blame here? And obversely, can we expect improvement soon with the return of dave Wallace? This question is admittedly coming from some ignorance. But here goes. Could some of the pitching problems come from ineffective pitching coaching. In other words, does Al Nipper get some of the blame here? And obversely, can we expect improvement soon with the return of dave Wallace?

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