Comments on: Are Chadd, Garcia, Eljaua, and Moore (not Cabrera, Damon, Lowe, and Martinez) the departures that have really hurt the Sox?

By: cmj1878

cmj1878 — Fri, 08 Sep 2006 05:56:32 +0000

Obviously, the front office has dropped the ball and given up on some of their young talent too quickly. Since the end of the 2004 season, things have only gotten worse. The 04 team was more or less dismantled. Keeping at least one pitcher between Pedro and Lowe would have been good. They signed Renteria which was a highly over-rated player for the kind of money they threw at him. Then, they trade Rent-a-wreck plus 11 million to the Braves. There was an opening at SS so what do they do? Trade away their top SS prospect, Hanley Ramirez along with top pitching prospect Anibel Sanchez for Josh Beckett who was known for his 2003 world series heroics. What else has he really done? Over-hyped and over-rated just like Renteria. Cla Meredith being traded with Bard was also ridiculous. Bard and Meredith were both given raw deals. They both had a limited stint in Boston and were dealt away at the blink of an eye because of a couple of bad experiences. The patience level of the front office is terrible. Is it Theo? Is it the ownership? They claim to be drafting well and acquiring all of this young talent. They ought to stop worrying about trying to spend and just try to build from within. Stop trading away this talent. Have some patience…Look where it’s gotten us and look at the players we had. It’s amaazing how so many former Sox players are succeeding elsewhere. Look at the Florida Marlins. Look at that team and what they’ve accomplished this year. They could make the playoffs with that young roster while our beloved Boston Red Sox with a 120 million dollar payroll will be watching football and/or playing golf.

By: The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Tiger Blogger Night Links

The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Tiger Blogger Night Links — Fri, 08 Sep 2006 02:27:11 +0000

[...] Feeding the Monster speculates that the Red Sox problems can be traced to the departures of scouting deparment members David Chadd, Miguel Garcia, and Tom Moore. Fortunately all 3 of those guys are now employed by the Tigers. [...]

By: cdnsoxfan

cdnsoxfan — Thu, 07 Sep 2006 22:35:03 +0000

I think its ridiculous to look what these players have done in the national league and think they would have performed similarly in the American League. Sanchez pitched a great game, there is no taking that away from him, but its not like he threw the no-no for the Yankees.
I think if you look at any team in the majors, they all have trades they wish they could take back. Although I’m not convinced the Beckett deal qualifies as one. If fans out there want to torture themselves every time an ex-sox player does something well, go ahead. I thought ‘04 was supposed to get rid of all this crap.

It has been a tough year, no one is denying that, but the team looks better for ‘07 and ‘08. They have holes, clearly and this front office has some pieces and a lot of cash to go out and fill those holes. That is more than 2/3 of the league can say.

Way to go Anibal!!

By: rdawg

rdawg — Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:55:45 +0000

Gotta agree with Ogie on this one. Josh Bard comes to mind — the same people who bashed Bard, and said that theo had to make a move to get Belli back are the same ones who bashed Theo for giving bard up when Tek went down, and Bard was putting up good numbers with the Padres
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There is so much venom in the media, you have to wonder, do these people even enjoy watching what they cover, or are they just more concerned with coming up with pithy and (sorta) clever headlines?

It will be a couple of years before we see if all the work the FO has done pays off. And as a town (nation?) that has waited 86 years for a WS victory, you’d think we’d be able to have a little bit of patience.

By: soxfannyc

soxfannyc — Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:27:15 +0000

The Red Sox also lost Bill Lajoie in the offseason, another highly respected man in baseball circles. Interesting that the Red Sox have lost so many career “baseball men” in recent years…not sure if it means anything, but seems disturbing nonetheless.

By: Ogie Oglethorpe

Ogie Oglethorpe — Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:40:14 +0000

Tough call on this one. We all knew of Hanley’s and Dirty Sanchez’ potential and that is why we were able to get Beckett in the first place. These guys weren’t throw ins. If Beckett had become the Cy Young award winner that people had predicted (Gammons & Bobby Cox) then this wouldn’t have been that big of an issue. When the deal was made everybody was glad that Lester was not included in the deal because he has a higher ceiling. There were also a lot of scouts quoted as saying that Hanley has all of the tools but has yet to have a breakout season in the minors and questioned his ability to put it all together. Plus he always batted in the middle of the order so he never got turned loose on the base paths.

You can’t blame Meredith on the front office. Francona ruined that guy’s confidence in the game vs. Seattle. Weird too since the Sox have been so protective of the young pitchers this year. Cla was never going to rebound from that game. I think the Freddy Sanchez trade was a good gamble that didn’t pay off. We were desperate for pitching in ‘03 and he was the best on the market. If Suppan helps us beat the Yanks in the ‘03 ALCS then that is not an issue. On the flip side if they didn’t make a trade they would be branded “not trying to win now”, “not supporting their current players”, “too in love with potential”. Sound familiar?

Let’s just say that the Sox traded Lester and Hansen for Beckett. Lester could have potentially won 15 games and Hansen could be their closer and you don’t know how Hanley and Sanchez would have panned out immediately if they stayed.

This kind of stuff bugs me since the local media complains about non-trades involving prospects but they are the first to pull out the “why can’t we get guys like this?” line. They are basically playing on Sox fans’ impatience. The reason we can’t develop talent here is because WEEI and the usual suspects get the masses riled up about certain players by bombarding them with their reports and oneliners (Rent-a-wreck) about their missteps to the point that when they fail everybody wants to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

People just don’t understand in this town that the majority of MLB players will have failures at the beginning of their career. If they aren’t a rookie sensation they can’t be good, ever. How many people walked into the office on their first day and was a superstar? That is why the Sox have been trying to trade for players (Crisp, Beckett) on the verge of their breakout/prime. To stay competitive and because Sox fans won’t stand for watching the learning process. Fans need to start thinking on their own instead of adopting the EEI propaganda as their opinion.

By: Mr. Furious

Mr. Furious — Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:27:47 +0000

What’s shocking is that Bradford penned that column two days before Sanchez’s no-hitter. He probably wants that one back…