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	<title>Comments on: Here we go again: In defense of (or at least an argument for) J.D. Drew</title>
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		<title>By: If this blog had musical accompaniment, Paul Schaffer would be singing right now: Reader mail. at The Feeding the Monster Blog &#8212; In which the author discusses Boston, the Red Sox, the media, and very occasionally popular music.</title>
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		<dc:creator>If this blog had musical accompaniment, Paul Schaffer would be singing right now: Reader mail. at The Feeding the Monster Blog &#8212; In which the author discusses Boston, the Red Sox, the media, and very occasionally popular music.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] there&#8217;s been lots of speculation about this. As I&#8217;ve said before, I think the Drew signing was a good one (as do lots of other people, including SI&#8217;s Tom Verducci, although I can&#8217;t find that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] there&#8217;s been lots of speculation about this. As I&#8217;ve said before, I think the Drew signing was a good one (as do lots of other people, including SI&#8217;s Tom Verducci, although I can&#8217;t find that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dirty Carl Sports &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Blogdome: Drew Ain&#8217;t All That Bad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dirty Carl Sports &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Blogdome: Drew Ain&#8217;t All That Bad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 22:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8226; In defense of the Red Sox&#8217;s J.D. Drew signing. [SethMnookin.com] &#8226; Say goodnight, Duce Staley. [Mondesi&#8217;s House] &#8226; It&#8217;s the Selig who stole Christmas. [Athletics Nation] &#8226; Forget Glavine; what other Braves legends could they bring back? [Sports Gone South] &#8226; Rex Grossman, and tainted pork. [Critical Sports] &#8226; Hawk Harrelson &#8230; Hall of Fame broadcaster? [Ron Karkovice Fan Club] &#8226; Now that, friends, is a hockey goal. [10,000 Takes] &#8226; The guy who owns L.A. Gear has this much money? [WBRS Sports Blog] &#8226; The truth behind Shawne Merriman&#8217;s vacant stare. [Kissing Suzy Kolber] &#8226; Chris Simms&#8217; little brother is a feisty one. [Bored At Life] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8226; In defense of the Red Sox&#8217;s J.D. Drew signing. [SethMnookin.com] &#8226; Say goodnight, Duce Staley. [Mondesi&#8217;s House] &#8226; It&#8217;s the Selig who stole Christmas. [Athletics Nation] &#8226; Forget Glavine; what other Braves legends could they bring back? [Sports Gone South] &#8226; Rex Grossman, and tainted pork. [Critical Sports] &#8226; Hawk Harrelson &#8230; Hall of Fame broadcaster? [Ron Karkovice Fan Club] &#8226; Now that, friends, is a hockey goal. [10,000 Takes] &#8226; The guy who owns L.A. Gear has this much money? [WBRS Sports Blog] &#8226; The truth behind Shawne Merriman&#8217;s vacant stare. [Kissing Suzy Kolber] &#8226; Chris Simms&#8217; little brother is a feisty one. [Bored At Life] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: rope789</title>
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		<dc:creator>rope789</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drew is a complex player -- at times dominant, at times seemingly indifferent.  Sometimes fluid, smooth players get a bad rap for "not trying" in part because they look like they are giving less effort compared to less talented players who at least look like they are "hustling."

I have a close friend who is tight with a top scout in the Tigers organzation.  The scout played with a number of players who played with Drew.  The rap on Drew is that unless he believes he can play at his peak level, he'll ask out of the lineup -- this causes some resentment among players who are more willing to play through the inevitable little injuries that are part of a 162 game season.

The scout also tells my friend that when healthy, there are few players in the game with better athleticism and such a broad base of skills.

I think Drew will prove a better player than Nixon, and I think some of the 'injury-prone' rap on Drew is more (bad) luck than anything else.  When healthy, I think Drew is an elite player who is a major upgrade to lineup that needs more offense.

I'd hit Youkilis first, Crisp or Lugo second, Ortiz, Manny, and Drew . . .TB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drew is a complex player &#8212; at times dominant, at times seemingly indifferent.  Sometimes fluid, smooth players get a bad rap for &#8220;not trying&#8221; in part because they look like they are giving less effort compared to less talented players who at least look like they are &#8220;hustling.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have a close friend who is tight with a top scout in the Tigers organzation.  The scout played with a number of players who played with Drew.  The rap on Drew is that unless he believes he can play at his peak level, he&#8217;ll ask out of the lineup &#8212; this causes some resentment among players who are more willing to play through the inevitable little injuries that are part of a 162 game season.</p>
<p>The scout also tells my friend that when healthy, there are few players in the game with better athleticism and such a broad base of skills.</p>
<p>I think Drew will prove a better player than Nixon, and I think some of the &#8216;injury-prone&#8217; rap on Drew is more (bad) luck than anything else.  When healthy, I think Drew is an elite player who is a major upgrade to lineup that needs more offense.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d hit Youkilis first, Crisp or Lugo second, Ortiz, Manny, and Drew . . .TB</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So how do we gauge the "reaction" of the collective several million people here to Drew signing? There seems to be this assumption in the media that Sox fans are violently opposed, and at least Seth has the grace to cite some evidence, however anecdotal. But Wilbur and Cafardo both write columns on the premise that we're all ready to kill the guy... and meanwhile the Globe's own internet poll -- not a perfect gauge, but over 7,000 votes is at least empirical evidence -- shows fans guardedly optimistic and supportive.

I'm a regular on a few political blogs, and as such am pretty sensitive to columnists writing that "people are saying X" with no attempt to cite anything probitive. I suspect "People" is usually a surrogate for the writer's friends, or voices in his head, or talk-radio screaming morons. Whatever, there's no reason to believe it represents reality.

File this we-hate-Drew shit next to the evidence-of-a-curse folder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how do we gauge the &#8220;reaction&#8221; of the collective several million people here to Drew signing? There seems to be this assumption in the media that Sox fans are violently opposed, and at least Seth has the grace to cite some evidence, however anecdotal. But Wilbur and Cafardo both write columns on the premise that we&#8217;re all ready to kill the guy&#8230; and meanwhile the Globe&#8217;s own internet poll &#8212; not a perfect gauge, but over 7,000 votes is at least empirical evidence &#8212; shows fans guardedly optimistic and supportive.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a regular on a few political blogs, and as such am pretty sensitive to columnists writing that &#8220;people are saying X&#8221; with no attempt to cite anything probitive. I suspect &#8220;People&#8221; is usually a surrogate for the writer&#8217;s friends, or voices in his head, or talk-radio screaming morons. Whatever, there&#8217;s no reason to believe it represents reality.</p>
<p>File this we-hate-Drew shit next to the evidence-of-a-curse folder.</p>
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		<title>By: Xristafer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xristafer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You'd really want to bat Lugo &#38; Crisp 1 &#38; 2 Seth? I'm not so sure I like the idea of two guys with career OBP's under .350 being right ahead of Papi &#38; Manny all year. If you take a look at Lugo's stats when he was with TB, his OBP was much higher when he was batting leadoff or simply coming up first in an inning, so that doesn't worry me too much. I think that's a formidable lineup though if we simply switched up Crisp &#38; Youks (who only grounded into a handful of DP's last year) to bat in front of our killer 3 through 5. Just a little nitpick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;d really want to bat Lugo &amp; Crisp 1 &amp; 2 Seth? I&#8217;m not so sure I like the idea of two guys with career OBP&#8217;s under .350 being right ahead of Papi &amp; Manny all year. If you take a look at Lugo&#8217;s stats when he was with TB, his OBP was much higher when he was batting leadoff or simply coming up first in an inning, so that doesn&#8217;t worry me too much. I think that&#8217;s a formidable lineup though if we simply switched up Crisp &amp; Youks (who only grounded into a handful of DP&#8217;s last year) to bat in front of our killer 3 through 5. Just a little nitpick.</p>
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		<title>By: dannyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>dannyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple other points on Drew.  

First, in 2005 when his season ended July 4, it was because he was hit by a pitch.  That was not because he was out of shape or soft.  That is just the dumb luck of baseball.  

If you then look at 2004 through 2006 (he played 145 games in '04 and 146 in '06) and project what he could have done in '05 over 144 games (he had plated 72, so .285, 30 HR, 75 RBI, 100 walks, .410 OBP, .930 OPS, .520 slugging), you're looking at the three best years of his career on teams that were far from offensive juggernauts.  

Assuming Manny stays, he's never been in a lineup this good where Youk and Lowell likely bat 7 and 8.  It's more likely he has his best year than falls on his face.  The question is can he do it for 4 years?  If he has just hit his prime, as the numbers seem to indicate, and his injury days are over or lessened as the last three years indicate, possibly he can do it through the contract, although years 3 and 4 could see some fall off.

Second, if you believe he'll have issues in Boston because of press, fans, etc., then Nomar for example, and others, should never have been sucessful here.  That is hard to predict.  His talent could take over when he's between the lines even if he dislikes the other aspects of playing here.  Worked for Manny.

The only issue is the money.  If it weren't $14 million over four years, who wouldn't want a guy with his ability?  People will want a stat line comparable with the money, which is unrealistic.  

I do worry about the money because it makes it tougher to afford going to games.  Otherwise, it's not our money, so focus on can he play to a high enough level to improve the team and help them win.  I'm going to give him a chance to prove me wrong and say he can.  Others should do the same.  

Ordway, Callahan, and the freaks at WEEI who never met the man, never saw him play a season, and want to run him out of town before he gets here (or just create talk for their ratings), should consider doing the same and quit fanning the flames of the "get a life" callers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple other points on Drew.  </p>
<p>First, in 2005 when his season ended July 4, it was because he was hit by a pitch.  That was not because he was out of shape or soft.  That is just the dumb luck of baseball.  </p>
<p>If you then look at 2004 through 2006 (he played 145 games in &#8216;04 and 146 in &#8216;06) and project what he could have done in &#8216;05 over 144 games (he had plated 72, so .285, 30 HR, 75 RBI, 100 walks, .410 OBP, .930 OPS, .520 slugging), you&#8217;re looking at the three best years of his career on teams that were far from offensive juggernauts.  </p>
<p>Assuming Manny stays, he&#8217;s never been in a lineup this good where Youk and Lowell likely bat 7 and 8.  It&#8217;s more likely he has his best year than falls on his face.  The question is can he do it for 4 years?  If he has just hit his prime, as the numbers seem to indicate, and his injury days are over or lessened as the last three years indicate, possibly he can do it through the contract, although years 3 and 4 could see some fall off.</p>
<p>Second, if you believe he&#8217;ll have issues in Boston because of press, fans, etc., then Nomar for example, and others, should never have been sucessful here.  That is hard to predict.  His talent could take over when he&#8217;s between the lines even if he dislikes the other aspects of playing here.  Worked for Manny.</p>
<p>The only issue is the money.  If it weren&#8217;t $14 million over four years, who wouldn&#8217;t want a guy with his ability?  People will want a stat line comparable with the money, which is unrealistic.  </p>
<p>I do worry about the money because it makes it tougher to afford going to games.  Otherwise, it&#8217;s not our money, so focus on can he play to a high enough level to improve the team and help them win.  I&#8217;m going to give him a chance to prove me wrong and say he can.  Others should do the same.  </p>
<p>Ordway, Callahan, and the freaks at WEEI who never met the man, never saw him play a season, and want to run him out of town before he gets here (or just create talk for their ratings), should consider doing the same and quit fanning the flames of the &#8220;get a life&#8221; callers.</p>
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		<title>By: schlom</title>
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		<dc:creator>schlom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the main complaint should be the lack of a plan by the Red Sox management.  None of their moves, when taken together, seem to make any sense.  They haven't really net improved over the past two year but have made the payroll take a significant jump.  Every move seems to be an overreaction to a previous move.  All they've done is push players around, opening up new holes and filling them with much more expensive players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the main complaint should be the lack of a plan by the Red Sox management.  None of their moves, when taken together, seem to make any sense.  They haven&#8217;t really net improved over the past two year but have made the payroll take a significant jump.  Every move seems to be an overreaction to a previous move.  All they&#8217;ve done is push players around, opening up new holes and filling them with much more expensive players.</p>
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