Comments on: Is yet another negotiation falling apart because Scott Boras insists on acting like an ass? http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/11/is-yet-another-negotiation-falling-apart-because-scott-boras-insists-on-acting-like-an-ass/ Media, Baseball, Boston, the Red Sox, Music, Literature, and Mnookins Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:35:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Ogie Oglethorpe http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/11/is-yet-another-negotiation-falling-apart-because-scott-boras-insists-on-acting-like-an-ass/#comment-3449 Ogie Oglethorpe Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:26:19 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/11/is-yet-another-negotiation-falling-apart-because-scott-boras-insists-on-acting-like-an-ass/#comment-3449 I hope this guy is accurate: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=2693833&type=story I hope this guy is accurate:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=2693833&type=story

]]> By: Centerfield13 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/11/is-yet-another-negotiation-falling-apart-because-scott-boras-insists-on-acting-like-an-ass/#comment-3441 Centerfield13 Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:52:51 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/11/is-yet-another-negotiation-falling-apart-because-scott-boras-insists-on-acting-like-an-ass/#comment-3441 In the initial stories about the whole Dice-K affair, wasn't there something about a provision for not negotiating in good faith? If that's the case, why aren't the Sox taking this up with the commissioner's office? In the initial stories about the whole Dice-K affair, wasn’t there something about a provision for not negotiating in good faith? If that’s the case, why aren’t the Sox taking this up with the commissioner’s office?

]]> By: tinisoli http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/11/is-yet-another-negotiation-falling-apart-because-scott-boras-insists-on-acting-like-an-ass/#comment-3436 tinisoli Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:52:54 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/11/is-yet-another-negotiation-falling-apart-because-scott-boras-insists-on-acting-like-an-ass/#comment-3436 MarshallDog- Whatever objections Boras may have to the posting process, I think it is highly unlikely that his client will allow himself to be used as a martyr for Boras' cause. It may irk Matsuzaka that the posting process may limit his contract to Meche-like $$, but the process is what it is, and his options appear to be very limited. He either plays for the Sox for 3-5 years at a very nice salary, or he goes back to Seibu and hopes that he gets the chance to really cash in two years from now. The latter choice seems fraught with risk, and there's also the not-so-small matter of disappointing a hundred million Japanese fans who want him to do for the majors what he did for the Japanese team in the WBC. As for Boras refusing to negotiate, he's just stalling. He'll probably give the Sox a last-minute counterproposal when his leverage is at its peak, and that'll be that. Yeah, maybe he'll ask for the moon and the Sox will say no and Matsu will then have to make a tough decision. But even then I really don't see how the decision is that tough, given his other option. If he were a little younger, and had less innings logged on that arm of his, maybe Boras' "wait 'til '08" idea would have more merit. MarshallDog-

Whatever objections Boras may have to the posting process, I think it is highly unlikely that his client will allow himself to be used as a martyr for Boras’ cause. It may irk Matsuzaka that the posting process may limit his contract to Meche-like $$, but the process is what it is, and his options appear to be very limited. He either plays for the Sox for 3-5 years at a very nice salary, or he goes back to Seibu and hopes that he gets the chance to really cash in two years from now. The latter choice seems fraught with risk, and there’s also the not-so-small matter of disappointing a hundred million Japanese fans who want him to do for the majors what he did for the Japanese team in the WBC.
As for Boras refusing to negotiate, he’s just stalling. He’ll probably give the Sox a last-minute counterproposal when his leverage is at its peak, and that’ll be that. Yeah, maybe he’ll ask for the moon and the Sox will say no and Matsu will then have to make a tough decision. But even then I really don’t see how the decision is that tough, given his other option. If he were a little younger, and had less innings logged on that arm of his, maybe Boras’ “wait ’til ‘08″ idea would have more merit.

]]> By: carnett http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/11/is-yet-another-negotiation-falling-apart-because-scott-boras-insists-on-acting-like-an-ass/#comment-3435 carnett Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:46:54 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/11/is-yet-another-negotiation-falling-apart-because-scott-boras-insists-on-acting-like-an-ass/#comment-3435 My greatest fear in this whole situation is that Boras is using these negotions as a president to change the posting process. If Dice-K is not signed I know the Sox will file a greivance with MLB about Boras's ethics. Then Boras will counter with a greivance with the whole process. Making the soxs look like fools to the whole baseball world. All and all I still have faith the sox will get a deal done. When else will an opportunity to get a front line starter at 26 present itself? If Gil Meche gets 11mil a year Dice-K will get paid! My greatest fear in this whole situation is that Boras is using these negotions as a president to change the posting process. If Dice-K is not signed I know the Sox will file a greivance with MLB about Boras’s ethics. Then Boras will counter with a greivance with the whole process. Making the soxs look like fools to the whole baseball world.

All and all I still have faith the sox will get a deal done. When else will an opportunity to get a front line starter at 26 present itself? If Gil Meche gets 11mil a year Dice-K will get paid!

]]> By: Trouthead http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/11/is-yet-another-negotiation-falling-apart-because-scott-boras-insists-on-acting-like-an-ass/#comment-3432 Trouthead Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:34:30 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/11/is-yet-another-negotiation-falling-apart-because-scott-boras-insists-on-acting-like-an-ass/#comment-3432 How do you tell if Boras is lying? His lips are moving. Maybe it is time for the Sox to once again, make the final offer and if it is accepted then great, if not then it is time to move on. I have a hard time with bidding against ones self. How do you tell if Boras is lying? His lips are moving.

Maybe it is time for the Sox to once again, make the final offer and if it is accepted then great, if not then it is time to move on. I have a hard time with bidding against ones self.

]]> By: MarshallDog http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/11/is-yet-another-negotiation-falling-apart-because-scott-boras-insists-on-acting-like-an-ass/#comment-3429 MarshallDog Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:19:00 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/11/is-yet-another-negotiation-falling-apart-because-scott-boras-insists-on-acting-like-an-ass/#comment-3429 I'm saying Boras "doesn't care" because he won't even negotiate with the Sox. The Sox obviously want to sign Matsuzaka, but how can they when Boras won't give them a counter-offer? Should the Sox just continue to raise their offer until Boras says yes? tinisoli, how can you suggest that all logic is pointing towards Matsuzaka signing with the Sox? Scott Boras doesn't deal with that kind of logic! This is an agent that hates the draft because it forbids young prospects from selling themselves to the highest bidder. Knowing Boras' logic, he doesn't give a damn about marketing opportunities, and would rather see Matsuzaka reach free agency in two years and get the Sox and Yankees into a bidding war. Of course he doesn't care that Matsuzaka could blow out his arm during that time and get nothing in two years. I'm quite certain Matsuzaka has access to the internet and newspapers, but I'm also certain that Boras makes sure his client only believes what his agent tells him. Allowing Matsuzaka to be influenced by the media would be foolished, because obviously the US media wants to see him pitch in the majors this season. I do hope that negotiations aren't as bad as they are reported, and that Boras will come to his senses and actually try negotiating with the Sox. I’m saying Boras “doesn’t care” because he won’t even negotiate with the Sox. The Sox obviously want to sign Matsuzaka, but how can they when Boras won’t give them a counter-offer? Should the Sox just continue to raise their offer until Boras says yes?

tinisoli, how can you suggest that all logic is pointing towards Matsuzaka signing with the Sox? Scott Boras doesn’t deal with that kind of logic! This is an agent that hates the draft because it forbids young prospects from selling themselves to the highest bidder. Knowing Boras’ logic, he doesn’t give a damn about marketing opportunities, and would rather see Matsuzaka reach free agency in two years and get the Sox and Yankees into a bidding war. Of course he doesn’t care that Matsuzaka could blow out his arm during that time and get nothing in two years.

I’m quite certain Matsuzaka has access to the internet and newspapers, but I’m also certain that Boras makes sure his client only believes what his agent tells him. Allowing Matsuzaka to be influenced by the media would be foolished, because obviously the US media wants to see him pitch in the majors this season.

I do hope that negotiations aren’t as bad as they are reported, and that Boras will come to his senses and actually try negotiating with the Sox.

]]> By: HFXBOB http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/11/is-yet-another-negotiation-falling-apart-because-scott-boras-insists-on-acting-like-an-ass/#comment-3422 HFXBOB Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:30:18 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/11/is-yet-another-negotiation-falling-apart-because-scott-boras-insists-on-acting-like-an-ass/#comment-3422 If Boras can get away with lying and/or not properly informing his client, it raises the question: is there any sort of legal or professional code whatsoever that applies to a player agent? If Boras can get away with lying and/or not properly informing his client, it raises the question: is there any sort of legal or professional code whatsoever that applies to a player agent?

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