Comments on: Let’s all join together and pray for Steinbrenner to start exerting his will…and quick http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/26/lets-all-join-together-and-pray-for-steinbrenner-to-start-exerting-his-willand-quick/ Media, Baseball, Boston, the Red Sox, Music, Literature, and Mnookins Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:54:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Daniel W. Drezner http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/26/lets-all-join-together-and-pray-for-steinbrenner-to-start-exerting-his-willand-quick/#comment-5016 Daniel W. Drezner Wed, 03 Jan 2007 16:20:44 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/26/lets-all-join-together-and-pray-for-steinbrenner-to-start-exerting-his-willand-quick/#comment-5016 <strong>A reluctant tip of the cap to Brian Cashman...</strong> Baseball fans who follow the Hot Stove League may be aware that the Red Sox have made some aggressive moves in a bid to improve their performance from the 2006 season. [Yeah, that'll show the Yankees!!--ed.] Er..... perhaps not. I...... A reluctant tip of the cap to Brian Cashman…

Baseball fans who follow the Hot Stove League may be aware that the Red Sox have made some aggressive moves in a bid to improve their performance from the 2006 season. [Yeah, that'll show the Yankees!!--ed.] Er….. perhaps not. I……

]]> By: jthewes http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/26/lets-all-join-together-and-pray-for-steinbrenner-to-start-exerting-his-willand-quick/#comment-4725 jthewes Fri, 29 Dec 2006 01:45:45 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/26/lets-all-join-together-and-pray-for-steinbrenner-to-start-exerting-his-willand-quick/#comment-4725 Some funny stuff on Johnson (ridiculously immature, but funny): 2nd post down: http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/baseball/index.html Some funny stuff on Johnson (ridiculously immature, but funny):

2nd post down:

http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/baseball/index.html

]]> By: branatical http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/26/lets-all-join-together-and-pray-for-steinbrenner-to-start-exerting-his-willand-quick/#comment-4716 branatical Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:57:16 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/26/lets-all-join-together-and-pray-for-steinbrenner-to-start-exerting-his-willand-quick/#comment-4716 And if they don't get Zito, they don't move Johnson... thant's my guess. Unless they want to rely on Mr. Reliable Carl Pavano which I doubt or one of their young pitchers, Karstens, Hughes and Sanchez, which I also doubt. so you have: Mussina Wang Pettite or is it Petite? Johnson/Pavano Igawa/Pavano and if/when Johnson is not ready, they start of the year with Karstens/Hughes/Sanchez, whoever wins the spot. On paper that looks good, but not overely threatening. Non of those guys is a TRUE lights out ace at this point... IMO. And if they don’t get Zito, they don’t move Johnson… thant’s my guess. Unless they want to rely on Mr. Reliable Carl Pavano which I doubt or one of their young pitchers, Karstens, Hughes and Sanchez, which I also doubt.

so you have:

Mussina
Wang
Pettite or is it Petite?
Johnson/Pavano
Igawa/Pavano

and if/when Johnson is not ready, they start of the year with Karstens/Hughes/Sanchez, whoever wins the spot.

On paper that looks good, but not overely threatening. Non of those guys is a TRUE lights out ace at this point… IMO.

]]> By: PatsFanDK http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/26/lets-all-join-together-and-pray-for-steinbrenner-to-start-exerting-his-willand-quick/#comment-4704 PatsFanDK Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:13:46 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/26/lets-all-join-together-and-pray-for-steinbrenner-to-start-exerting-his-willand-quick/#comment-4704 Bottom line - if the Yanks are able to trade The Unit and acquire Zito to take his place, that's a smart move and a step in the right direction. I'd still take Schil/Beckett/Paps/Dice-K/Wake over Mussina/Pettite/Zito/Wang/Igawa, but it's VERY close. Clemens is the X-Factor... <i>Doesn't <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2710389">look like the Yankees are going to get Zito</a>... -- Seth</i> Bottom line - if the Yanks are able to trade The Unit and acquire Zito to take his place, that’s a smart move and a step in the right direction. I’d still take Schil/Beckett/Paps/Dice-K/Wake over Mussina/Pettite/Zito/Wang/Igawa, but it’s VERY close. Clemens is the X-Factor…

Doesn’t look like the Yankees are going to get Zito…

– Seth

]]> By: jolley16 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/26/lets-all-join-together-and-pray-for-steinbrenner-to-start-exerting-his-willand-quick/#comment-4699 jolley16 Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:00:54 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/26/lets-all-join-together-and-pray-for-steinbrenner-to-start-exerting-his-willand-quick/#comment-4699 Personally, I'm just happy to have the Yankees scared enough to start making moves based on our improvement. They crapped the bed at the beginning of 04 when we got Schilling and nearly got Arod. Now they're looking at dealing Johnson as if they just realized that he's washed up, an ass, and they're pitching staff is embarassing. If Kansas City and Pittsburgh are places where contracts go to die, why isn't baseball really looking at contraction? I know it sounds awful but why should these teams bank off of attendance that teams like the Sox and Yanks give them while honestly not trying to improve. I'm convinced that Selig told the Royals to sign Meche just to save the Yanks and Sox another Pavano or Clement from happening. The Royals even helped my hometown Reds by taking Jason LaRue. By getting rid of teams that take these bad contracts and continually save the Yanks, talent across the league would improve. I guess I just really want guys like Sal Pasano delivering my pizza instead of being a mustache joke in The Post. Personally, I’m just happy to have the Yankees scared enough to start making moves based on our improvement. They crapped the bed at the beginning of 04 when we got Schilling and nearly got Arod. Now they’re looking at dealing Johnson as if they just realized that he’s washed up, an ass, and they’re pitching staff is embarassing.
If Kansas City and Pittsburgh are places where contracts go to die, why isn’t baseball really looking at contraction? I know it sounds awful but why should these teams bank off of attendance that teams like the Sox and Yanks give them while honestly not trying to improve. I’m convinced that Selig told the Royals to sign Meche just to save the Yanks and Sox another Pavano or Clement from happening. The Royals even helped my hometown Reds by taking Jason LaRue. By getting rid of teams that take these bad contracts and continually save the Yanks, talent across the league would improve. I guess I just really want guys like Sal Pasano delivering my pizza instead of being a mustache joke in The Post.

]]> By: wormfodder http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/26/lets-all-join-together-and-pray-for-steinbrenner-to-start-exerting-his-willand-quick/#comment-4697 wormfodder Thu, 28 Dec 2006 12:58:42 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/26/lets-all-join-together-and-pray-for-steinbrenner-to-start-exerting-his-willand-quick/#comment-4697 Amazing. I didn't say Johnson was better than Schilling. I said he was better and more durable over past TWO years. Right now, I'd rather have Schilling too but these are the numbers. Johnson - 34-19 w/ ERAs of 3.79 and 5.01 Schilling - 23-15 w/ ERAs of 5.69 and 3.97 What is so confusing about that? If you want to talk about the Yankee farm system, Cabrera and Cano are the obvious guys to point to at the moment, Cano elected to the All-Star team last year. How about Scott Proctor too? Not to mention they still have Jeter, Posada, Rivera and through last year Williams as major contributors. It's still wait and see on the Sox supposedly wonderful farm system. Papelbon's a stud and Youkilis is serviceable but Craig Hansen, Manny Delcameron, and Dustin Pedroria? Good luck. Oh, and there is no difference between the Yanks signing guys like Soriano and Wang the way they did and how the Sox got Hansen, who wasn't drafted sooner because of the price tag. And, Yanks have guys on the way too, Philip Hughes, Jose Tabata. I mean just look at the loss of Hanley Ramirez. You guys spent all that $ on Renteria, then treaded water w/ Gonzalez, while he just raged through his first season. 51 stolen bases! wouldn't that look good in front of Ortiz and Manny? just a horrible move, and now you've over-paid for Lugo, who is by no means a lock to thrive in Boston. Look at what he did in his chance last season to contribute on a competitive team, he wilted. wasn't even a regular at the end. again, good luck. I never said Marte was a superstar but he's young, cheap and has a shot to be very, very good, no one with any sort of perspective disputes that. Oh yeah, and knock Bard too, that makes sense, no sour grapes there. I'm sure George Kotteras is going to be a monster next year. If you can't see the Sox have made basically one bad move after another since 2004, your head is in the sand, simple as that. And it's pretty pathetic to put down NL small market teams like that, they play in the major leagues, you know, didn't the Marlins win in 2003? just arrogant and lame. Oh and I guess that means Beckett sucks now too, right? Didn't he come from the Marlins? Isn't he supposed to be the next great pitcher for you guys? But because he's a Sox now, he'll develop and be great. Try to be a tad realistic from time to time. we'll just have to wait and see what the Yanks can get for Johnson to see whose right about his worth. You guys says a bag of balls, i think Cashman will be able to make a decent deal if he wants to. And, while I won't say Sheffield is a model teammate by any stretch, Manny has been involved in much more wacky stuff than him. Again, if you had any perspective, you'd admit that. <i>I'm (obviously) posting this comment, but it's the last one on this debate -- I think both sides have explained their reasoning...and it looks like people are fairly set in whatever it is they think. If this doesn't make sense to someone, email me at monsterfeedback@gmail.com... Thanks, Seth</i> Amazing.

I didn’t say Johnson was better than Schilling. I said he was better and more durable over past TWO years. Right now, I’d rather have Schilling too but these are the numbers.

Johnson - 34-19 w/ ERAs of 3.79 and 5.01
Schilling - 23-15 w/ ERAs of 5.69 and 3.97

What is so confusing about that?

If you want to talk about the Yankee farm system, Cabrera and Cano are the obvious guys to point to at the moment, Cano elected to the All-Star team last year. How about Scott Proctor too? Not to mention they still have Jeter, Posada, Rivera and through last year Williams as major contributors. It’s still wait and see on the Sox supposedly wonderful farm system. Papelbon’s a stud and Youkilis is serviceable but Craig Hansen, Manny Delcameron, and Dustin Pedroria? Good luck. Oh, and there is no difference between the Yanks signing guys like Soriano and Wang the way they did and how the Sox got Hansen, who wasn’t drafted sooner because of the price tag. And, Yanks have guys on the way too, Philip Hughes, Jose Tabata.

I mean just look at the loss of Hanley Ramirez. You guys spent all that $ on Renteria, then treaded water w/ Gonzalez, while he just raged through his first season. 51 stolen bases! wouldn’t that look good in front of Ortiz and Manny? just a horrible move, and now you’ve over-paid for Lugo, who is by no means a lock to thrive in Boston. Look at what he did in his chance last season to contribute on a competitive team, he wilted. wasn’t even a regular at the end. again, good luck.

I never said Marte was a superstar but he’s young, cheap and has a shot to be very, very good, no one with any sort of perspective disputes that. Oh yeah, and knock Bard too, that makes sense, no sour grapes there. I’m sure George Kotteras is going to be a monster next year.

If you can’t see the Sox have made basically one bad move after another since 2004, your head is in the sand, simple as that. And it’s pretty pathetic to put down NL small market teams like that, they play in the major leagues, you know, didn’t the Marlins win in 2003? just arrogant and lame. Oh and I guess that means Beckett sucks now too, right? Didn’t he come from the Marlins? Isn’t he supposed to be the next great pitcher for you guys? But because he’s a Sox now, he’ll develop and be great. Try to be a tad realistic from time to time.

we’ll just have to wait and see what the Yanks can get for Johnson to see whose right about his worth. You guys says a bag of balls, i think Cashman will be able to make a decent deal if he wants to.

And, while I won’t say Sheffield is a model teammate by any stretch, Manny has been involved in much more wacky stuff than him. Again, if you had any perspective, you’d admit that.

I’m (obviously) posting this comment, but it’s the last one on this debate — I think both sides have explained their reasoning…and it looks like people are fairly set in whatever it is they think. If this doesn’t make sense to someone, email me at monsterfeedback@gmail.com…
Thanks,
Seth

]]> By: Ogie Oglethorpe http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/26/lets-all-join-together-and-pray-for-steinbrenner-to-start-exerting-his-willand-quick/#comment-4640 Ogie Oglethorpe Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:28:38 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/26/lets-all-join-together-and-pray-for-steinbrenner-to-start-exerting-his-willand-quick/#comment-4640 James (Boston, Ma.): Is there serious interest in Randy Johnson on the trade market? This guy is 43 years old, is just off of back surgery, has no cartilage in his knees, makes 16 million per and isn't exactly a clubhouse guy. Are teams really willing to give up more than a bag of baseballs for this guy?  Jim Callis: I can't see Randy Johnson commanding a lot in trade value for all those reasons. But I can see a team willing to pick up for 50 cents on the dollar if the Yankees will pay part of his contract, and I can see the Yankees jettisoning him and spending money on Barry Zito. So a deal could happen. Jon (Jericho): Would a Randy Johnson trade for Chad Tracy and prospects make sense for both teams?  Jim Callis: No. If I were the Diamondbacks, I wouldn't want to do that. I would jump on that if I were the Yankees, though. James (Boston, Ma.): Is there serious interest in Randy Johnson on the trade market? This guy is 43 years old, is just off of back surgery, has no cartilage in his knees, makes 16 million per and isn’t exactly a clubhouse guy. Are teams really willing to give up more than a bag of baseballs for this guy?

 Jim Callis: I can’t see Randy Johnson commanding a lot in trade value for all those reasons. But I can see a team willing to pick up for 50 cents on the dollar if the Yankees will pay part of his contract, and I can see the Yankees jettisoning him and spending money on Barry Zito. So a deal could happen.

Jon (Jericho): Would a Randy Johnson trade for Chad Tracy and prospects make sense for both teams?

 Jim Callis: No. If I were the Diamondbacks, I wouldn’t want to do that. I would jump on that if I were the Yankees, though.

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