Comments on: And the last stupid contract of 2006 goes to… http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/29/and-the-last-stupid-contract-of-2006-goes-to/ Media, Baseball, Boston, the Red Sox, Music, Literature, and Mnookins Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:41:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: pedro http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/29/and-the-last-stupid-contract-of-2006-goes-to/#comment-4830 pedro Sat, 30 Dec 2006 16:17:47 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/29/and-the-last-stupid-contract-of-2006-goes-to/#comment-4830 Help from the ballpark? Seth and Keith, do the research. granted it's a massive ballpark, but in 2006 Zito was 6-7 with a 4.71 ERA and a 1.45 WHIP giving up 18 gopher balls and a 113 hits in 17 games. In the same number of games he had a 2.97 ERA 1.36 WHIP 98 hits 9 HR in 112 innings. In his career he has a 3.66 ERA at the Oakland Coliseum (or whatever the kids are calling it these days) with a 1.22 WHIP and a 3.44 ERa away from home. and in more four innings away from the OakCol he has 30 more K's 16 fewers HRs and 6 fewer hits. So, he's not exactly benefitted from that park. C'mon man look it up before you post it. Help from the ballpark? Seth and Keith, do the research. granted it’s a massive ballpark, but in 2006 Zito was 6-7 with a 4.71 ERA and a 1.45 WHIP giving up 18 gopher balls and a 113 hits in 17 games. In the same number of games he had a 2.97 ERA 1.36 WHIP 98 hits 9 HR in 112 innings.

In his career he has a 3.66 ERA at the Oakland Coliseum (or whatever the kids are calling it these days) with a 1.22 WHIP and a 3.44 ERa away from home. and in more four innings away from the OakCol he has 30 more K’s 16 fewers HRs and 6 fewer hits.

So, he’s not exactly benefitted from that park. C’mon man look it up before you post it.

]]> By: miles44 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/29/and-the-last-stupid-contract-of-2006-goes-to/#comment-4824 miles44 Sat, 30 Dec 2006 13:41:34 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/29/and-the-last-stupid-contract-of-2006-goes-to/#comment-4824 I love Gammons' blog post on Zito's signing. Basically, Zito plays guitar, so it's justified. I love Gammons’ blog post on Zito’s signing. Basically, Zito plays guitar, so it’s justified.

]]> By: chris http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/29/and-the-last-stupid-contract-of-2006-goes-to/#comment-4807 chris Sat, 30 Dec 2006 07:51:45 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/29/and-the-last-stupid-contract-of-2006-goes-to/#comment-4807 Gotta agree with the sentiments here, even if Gammo has a soft spot for Zito. Matsuzaka's deal is especially valuable when you consider that, to other teams who didn't pay the posting fee, he's carrying a $9 mil/yr deal. If he lives up to his potential, that's incredibly cheap, and if the Sox ever had to unload him for some reason, they won't be begging people to take his contract. Gotta agree with the sentiments here, even if Gammo has a soft spot for Zito.

Matsuzaka’s deal is especially valuable when you consider that, to other teams who didn’t pay the posting fee, he’s carrying a $9 mil/yr deal. If he lives up to his potential, that’s incredibly cheap, and if the Sox ever had to unload him for some reason, they won’t be begging people to take his contract.

]]> By: Mr. Furious http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/29/and-the-last-stupid-contract-of-2006-goes-to/#comment-4805 Mr. Furious Sat, 30 Dec 2006 06:00:37 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/29/and-the-last-stupid-contract-of-2006-goes-to/#comment-4805 If I recall correctly, Kevin Appier left a lot of money on the table a few years back because he didn't feel like he was earning it anymore. He was getting paid a hefty MLB contract to rehab in the minors, and he had a Ted Williams-y moment... <i><b>Kevin Appier is temporarily retiring. </b> Appier was scheduled to pitch today for Tripe-A Omaha as part of his latest rehabilitation assignment, but Appier has decided against it. His plan is to rest up, then try to pitch again next year. <b>"I don't want to make these guys pay me to play in the minor leagues,"</b> Appier said. "That's why I would retire — so they wouldn't have to pay me." Appier is 36 years old, and his rehab assignment was not going terribly well, so there is a question as to whether he can be an effective pitcher in the majors again. He will likely seek out a major league minimum salary at the start of next season and hope to catch on with a team willing to give him a shot. We shall see.</i> If I recall correctly, Kevin Appier left a lot of money on the table a few years back because he didn’t feel like he was earning it anymore. He was getting paid a hefty MLB contract to rehab in the minors, and he had a Ted Williams-y moment…

Kevin Appier is temporarily retiring.
Appier was scheduled to pitch today for Tripe-A Omaha as part of his latest rehabilitation assignment, but Appier has decided against it. His plan is to rest up, then try to pitch again next year. “I don’t want to make these guys pay me to play in the minor leagues,” Appier said. “That’s why I would retire — so they wouldn’t have to pay me.” Appier is 36 years old, and his rehab assignment was not going terribly well, so there is a question as to whether he can be an effective pitcher in the majors again. He will likely seek out a major league minimum salary at the start of next season and hope to catch on with a team willing to give him a shot. We shall see.

]]> By: tmurph13 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/29/and-the-last-stupid-contract-of-2006-goes-to/#comment-4789 tmurph13 Sat, 30 Dec 2006 03:08:58 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/29/and-the-last-stupid-contract-of-2006-goes-to/#comment-4789 Just because It's 3:00 AM here in Dublin and I have a spreadsheet open I took the garland contract calculated a 1977 NPV and translated that value to 2006 dollars and it comes to a little over $5 Million. By comparison the Marquis contract carries a 2006 NPV of just over $19M. I know Garland turned out a bust, but if you offered a baseball GM someone with his 1977 numbers(http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/garlawa01.shtml) a chance at him for $5Million and get a chance to lock him up for a decade at that price, I'd bet they all would bite. I know I'd take 4 1977 Wayne Garlands for one 2006 Marquis. Night folks. Just because It’s 3:00 AM here in Dublin and I have a spreadsheet open I took the garland contract calculated a 1977 NPV and translated that value to 2006 dollars and it comes to a little over $5 Million. By comparison the Marquis contract carries a 2006 NPV of just over $19M. I know Garland turned out a bust, but if you offered a baseball GM someone with his 1977 numbers(http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/garlawa01.shtml) a chance at him for $5Million and get a chance to lock him up for a decade at that price, I’d bet they all would bite. I know I’d take 4 1977 Wayne Garlands for one 2006 Marquis. Night folks.

]]> By: jolley16 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/29/and-the-last-stupid-contract-of-2006-goes-to/#comment-4776 jolley16 Fri, 29 Dec 2006 20:43:36 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/29/and-the-last-stupid-contract-of-2006-goes-to/#comment-4776 I don't think the NL is where pitcher's go to die because honestly there isn't too much starting pitching to begin with. There may be 20 pitchers in the entire league that you actually always believe will give your team a better chance to win than loose. Its crazy that the Yankees may only have one in Mussian(sorry Wang, I suffered through "great" sinkerballers like Lowe and Danny Graves) and teams like Reds (Harang, Arroyo) and Dodgers (Schmidt & Lowe/Penny?, can't believe I wrote/contradicted myself that) may have two. The fact is that when teams like the Cardinals in 06, Sox in 04, and Angels in 02 win the series without great pitching, you would think that huge contracts for "studs" would die. The pitching may help a little getting there, but in a best of 7 series, it doesn't seem to matter anymore. I don’t think the NL is where pitcher’s go to die because honestly there isn’t too much starting pitching to begin with. There may be 20 pitchers in the entire league that you actually always believe will give your team a better chance to win than loose. Its crazy that the Yankees may only have one in Mussian(sorry Wang, I suffered through “great” sinkerballers like Lowe and Danny Graves) and teams like Reds (Harang, Arroyo) and Dodgers (Schmidt & Lowe/Penny?, can’t believe I wrote/contradicted myself that) may have two.
The fact is that when teams like the Cardinals in 06, Sox in 04, and Angels in 02 win the series without great pitching, you would think that huge contracts for “studs” would die. The pitching may help a little getting there, but in a best of 7 series, it doesn’t seem to matter anymore.

]]> By: V06 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/29/and-the-last-stupid-contract-of-2006-goes-to/#comment-4775 V06 Fri, 29 Dec 2006 20:32:44 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006/12/29/and-the-last-stupid-contract-of-2006-goes-to/#comment-4775 "I’m pretty sure those three guys are the only pitchers in the history of the game to get contracts for seven or more years..." I'm pretty sure you missed recalling the first, worst one. Free agent pitcher Wayne Garland signed a 10 year, $2.3 million contract with the Cleveland Indians in 1977. Over the next 5 season he went 28-48 due to arm troubles. Cleveland waived him with 5 years left on his contract in 1982 and he never pitched in the majors again. He was the original poster boy for bad long-term, free-agent contracts for pitchers. “I’m pretty sure those three guys are the only pitchers in the history of the game to get contracts for seven or more years…”

I’m pretty sure you missed recalling the first, worst one.

Free agent pitcher Wayne Garland signed a 10 year, $2.3 million contract with the Cleveland Indians in 1977. Over the next 5 season he went 28-48 due to arm troubles. Cleveland waived him with 5 years left on his contract in 1982 and he never pitched in the majors again. He was the original poster boy for bad long-term, free-agent contracts for pitchers.

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