Comments on: Since you’ve been gone http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/01/23/since-youve-been-gone/ Media, Baseball, Boston, the Red Sox, Music, Literature, and Mnookins Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:41:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: archie http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/01/23/since-youve-been-gone/#comment-6453 archie Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:50:25 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/01/23/since-youve-been-gone/#comment-6453 I got this email from Chass earlier this year: Mr. Palma, I'm not sure why you object so strenuously to my giving Red Sox fans a chance to be heard. Why do you think newspapers run letters to the editor? If they write directly to me instead of the editor, they still have a right to be heard. A number of them objected to something I wrote, and I acknowledged that. If you consider that a waste of time, next time skip the column and go elsewhere. There's a lot to read in the Times. You don't say why you think ill of Larry Lucchino, but I don't. I also don't know why you think what I wrote embarrassed him. I called him to get his reaction to the series, he gave it to me after initially declining to and I quoted what he said. I don't see how or why that embarrasses him. Are you suggesting that what he said was embarrassing? I don't think it was, but then I obviously don't think like you. But it's always good to hear from readers so thanks for writing. Murray Chass As a neutral observer of the pennant races myself, I was appalled to read your thin-skinned cheap shot levelled at Boston fans. I really thought the NY Times is above that. But I've noticed how you relish sticking it to the Boston faithful (didn't you waste your readers' time last year by printing letters of Boston fans in your column?). What do you expect? It goes with the territory; it's Journalism 201. As a columnist, your opinions are bound to disturb somebody. Only a small town hack would use his column as a public forum for spiteful admonishments. It doesn't educate or entertain your readership (except maybe a small percentage of least-common-denominator NY fans who would rather read thinly-veiled cheapshots than insights into the series. Which, although one-sided, was thrilling nonetheless.) If you couldn't get to the games -- ok. To make a story and publicly embarass Larry Lucchino (asshole that he is) was unprofessional. You're supposed to be a Hall-of-Fame Baseball Writer. You should act like one. Hall of Famers don't resort to journalistic retribution. They take the high road. Chass -- as in No Class. I got this email from Chass earlier this year:

Mr. Palma,

I’m not sure why you object so strenuously to my giving Red Sox fans a chance to be heard. Why do you think newspapers run letters to the editor? If they write directly to me instead of the editor, they still have a right to be heard. A number of them objected to something I wrote, and I acknowledged that. If you consider that a waste of time, next time skip the column and go elsewhere. There’s a lot to read in the Times.

You don’t say why you think ill of Larry Lucchino, but I don’t. I also don’t know why you think what I wrote embarrassed him. I called him to get his reaction to the series, he gave it to me after initially declining to and I quoted what he said. I don’t see how or why that embarrasses him. Are you suggesting that what he said was embarrassing? I don’t think it was, but then I obviously don’t think like you. But it’s always good to hear from readers so thanks for writing.

Murray Chass

As a neutral observer of the pennant races myself, I was appalled to read your thin-skinned cheap shot levelled at Boston fans. I really thought the NY Times is above that. But I’ve noticed how you relish sticking it to the Boston faithful (didn’t you waste your readers’ time last year by printing letters of Boston fans in your column?). What do you expect? It goes with the territory; it’s Journalism 201. As a columnist, your opinions are bound to disturb somebody. Only a small town hack would use his column as a public forum for spiteful admonishments. It doesn’t educate or entertain your readership (except maybe a small percentage of least-common-denominator NY fans who would rather read thinly-veiled cheapshots than insights into the series. Which, although one-sided, was thrilling nonetheless.) If you couldn’t get to the games — ok. To make a story and publicly embarass Larry Lucchino (asshole that he is) was unprofessional. You’re supposed to be a Hall-of-Fame Baseball Writer. You should act like one. Hall of Famers don’t resort to journalistic retribution. They take the high road. Chass — as in No Class.

]]> By: urks1989 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/01/23/since-youve-been-gone/#comment-6451 urks1989 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:46:51 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/01/23/since-youve-been-gone/#comment-6451 If it wasn't for the Red Sox and their fans, Murray wouldn't have anything to write about. He is clearly obsessed. How does the New York Times not see that this guy is stealing money from them? Although, I have to admit I hope the times never catches on to him because the vast majority of Murray's columns are high comedy. I'd pay to see Seth and Murray on the same talk show together or even better a PPV event...Seth "The Truth" Mnookin vs. Murray "The Deluded" Chass. I'll take Seth in an early KO. If it wasn’t for the Red Sox and their fans, Murray wouldn’t have anything to write about. He is clearly obsessed. How does the New York Times not see that this guy is stealing money from them? Although, I have to admit I hope the times never catches on to him because the vast majority of Murray’s columns are high comedy. I’d pay to see Seth and Murray on the same talk show together or even better a PPV event…Seth “The Truth” Mnookin vs. Murray “The Deluded” Chass. I’ll take Seth in an early KO.

]]> By: chris http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/01/23/since-youve-been-gone/#comment-6449 chris Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:09:27 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/01/23/since-youve-been-gone/#comment-6449 Seth, you have some pull in the Sox' front office, right? Surely you can convince someone in the management to keep feeding Murray "information" on the q.t., so we can look forward to an unending series of punchlines. At some point he's going to run out of Sox fans' emails on which to base his columns and might actually start casting around for new story ideas. I'm looking forward to headlines in the NYT like, say, "Sox Make Matsuzaka their Closer" or "Sox Bringing Back Oil Can." Seth, you have some pull in the Sox’ front office, right? Surely you can convince someone in the management to keep feeding Murray “information” on the q.t., so we can look forward to an unending series of punchlines. At some point he’s going to run out of Sox fans’ emails on which to base his columns and might actually start casting around for new story ideas. I’m looking forward to headlines in the NYT like, say, “Sox Make Matsuzaka their Closer” or “Sox Bringing Back Oil Can.”

]]> By: jward23 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/01/23/since-youve-been-gone/#comment-6433 jward23 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:37:16 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/01/23/since-youve-been-gone/#comment-6433 What's funny is the number of people who took Murray's comment as that of a rambling idiot rather than an attempt at humour. Same with Steve Philips. What's that saying about perception and reality? What’s funny is the number of people who took Murray’s comment as that of a rambling idiot rather than an attempt at humour. Same with Steve Philips. What’s that saying about perception and reality?

]]> By: cursemyreverse http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/01/23/since-youve-been-gone/#comment-6431 cursemyreverse Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:00:46 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/01/23/since-youve-been-gone/#comment-6431 Wasn't it Murray who said after Arod went to the Yankees that "once again the Yankees have shown the Red Sox how to win" It was the first time I had to look up at the top of the paper and think... wait a minute, isn't this the New York Times? Must have been him... Wasn’t it Murray who said after Arod went to the Yankees that “once again the Yankees have shown the Red Sox how to win”

It was the first time I had to look up at the top of the paper and think… wait a minute, isn’t this the New York Times?

Must have been him…

]]> By: Ogie Oglethorpe http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/01/23/since-youve-been-gone/#comment-6421 Ogie Oglethorpe Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:52:13 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/01/23/since-youve-been-gone/#comment-6421 Whenever somebody says, “Not because I am a...". That is exactly the reason why. Whenever somebody says, “Not because I am a…”. That is exactly the reason why.

]]> By: Jack http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/01/23/since-youve-been-gone/#comment-6413 Jack Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:59:21 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/01/23/since-youve-been-gone/#comment-6413 Wow, I'm famous....AND I won a cigar. I feel so special. Wow, I’m famous….AND I won a cigar. I feel so special.

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