Comments on: Process vs. results, part 4183 in a continuing series: the myth of the 3-0 double http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/01/26/process-vs-results-part-4183-in-a-continuing-series-the-myth-of-the-3-0-triple/ Media, Baseball, Boston, the Red Sox, Music, Literature, and Mnookins Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:02:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: archie http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/01/26/process-vs-results-part-4183-in-a-continuing-series-the-myth-of-the-3-0-triple/#comment-6670 archie Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:45:36 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/01/26/process-vs-results-part-4183-in-a-continuing-series-the-myth-of-the-3-0-triple/#comment-6670 Can't help not saying this somewhere: But I was 25 feet from Nixon when he broke in on Jeter's one-out flyball to right in the 8th inning of game 7 of 2003 ALCS. With a 3-run lead and and 5 outs to get, nobody on, I noticed that Nixon was playing curiously shallow to begin with. Why Nixon broke in on the warning track double (the ball didn't hit the wall on the fly). If this happened to Manny Ramirez in left, he would have been called out as lazy, casual, non-chalant, stupid, et al. But it was the dirt dog, the hustler, Trawt. Nobody ever called him out on it. Routine fly-ball to right misplayed into a double and gave the Yankees life; when it should have been 2 outs, nobody on. I'll never forgive him for this. It was the dumbest play I've ever seen in a clutch situation. Goodbye Trot. Can’t help not saying this somewhere: But I was 25 feet from Nixon when he broke in on Jeter’s one-out flyball to right in the 8th inning of game 7 of 2003 ALCS. With a 3-run lead and and 5 outs to get, nobody on, I noticed that Nixon was playing curiously shallow to begin with. Why Nixon broke in on the warning track double (the ball didn’t hit the wall on the fly). If this happened to Manny Ramirez in left, he would have been called out as lazy, casual, non-chalant, stupid, et al. But it was the dirt dog, the hustler, Trawt. Nobody ever called him out on it. Routine fly-ball to right misplayed into a double and gave the Yankees life; when it should have been 2 outs, nobody on. I’ll never forgive him for this. It was the dumbest play I’ve ever seen in a clutch situation. Goodbye Trot.

]]> By: HFXBOB http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/01/26/process-vs-results-part-4183-in-a-continuing-series-the-myth-of-the-3-0-triple/#comment-6662 HFXBOB Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:29:48 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/01/26/process-vs-results-part-4183-in-a-continuing-series-the-myth-of-the-3-0-triple/#comment-6662 Seth, I just happened to be slogging my way through Johnny Damon’s book (a book that you credit as a reference in FTM). On that double by Trot it says on page 233 ‘He hit it on a 3-0 count. Terry let him hit. Terry has faith in us.’ Based on the number of factual errors I have found in Damon’s book, though, if he says Terry let Trot hit there it’s probably wrong. I am incredulous at the number of mistakes in Damon’s account of the 2004 postseason. Beginning when he describes Bellhorn’s home run in ALCS game 6 going over the fence in right centre field. I thought, wow, that’s weird, everybody saw the replay of that ball going over the left field fence a million times. And that gaffe is just the start. There are some real beauties, culminating in Johnny’s hallucinatory description of the last 3 outs of the World Series: ‘Keith got Scott Rolen to hit a long fly ball to right…it didn’t have legs, and Trot caught it. Then for a third time Keith struck out Jim Edmonds looking for out two. Edgar Renteria…hit a slow, easy roller back to the mound. Keith gloved it, and then he started jumping up and down, even though he hadn’t yet thrown the ball to first base.’ Holy crap, Johnny, that’s amazing-you made 4 mistakes describing 3 outs. It was Kapler that caught Rolen’s fly ball, Edmonds struck out swinging, Renteria hit a sharp one-hopper, and Foulke did no jumping up and down until after he tossed it to first. I heard you guys were having a few nips of Jack Daniels during the games but I never suspected you were dropping acid too. Seriously, how could so many obvious, blatant errors get into a book? Even if Damon’s memory was fuzzy, the co-author Golenbock or someone who works at the book company should have fixed it. I would have fixed ‘em all for the price of an autographed ball. Strangely I saw the same kind of thing recently in a book by golfer Johnny Miller, ‘I Call the Shots’. In FTM, on the other hand there was just that one little godson-grandson boo-boo and Seth cleared it up as quickly as possible. As for the Series MVP issue, I agree that 'Shaggy' was a contender. But I think Foulke should have at least gotten co-MVP. Seth, I just happened to be slogging my way through Johnny Damon’s book (a book that you credit as a reference in FTM). On that double by Trot it says on page 233 ‘He hit it on a 3-0 count. Terry let him hit. Terry has faith in us.’

Based on the number of factual errors I have found in Damon’s book, though, if he says Terry let Trot hit there it’s probably wrong.

I am incredulous at the number of mistakes in Damon’s account of the 2004 postseason. Beginning when he describes Bellhorn’s home run in ALCS game 6 going over the fence in right centre field. I thought, wow, that’s weird, everybody saw the replay of that ball going over the left field fence a million times. And that gaffe is just the start. There are some real beauties, culminating in Johnny’s hallucinatory description of the last 3 outs of the World Series:

‘Keith got Scott Rolen to hit a long fly ball to right…it didn’t have legs, and Trot caught it. Then for a third time Keith struck out Jim Edmonds looking for out two. Edgar Renteria…hit a slow, easy roller back to the mound. Keith gloved it, and then he started jumping up and down, even though he hadn’t yet thrown the ball to first base.’

Holy crap, Johnny, that’s amazing-you made 4 mistakes describing 3 outs. It was Kapler that caught Rolen’s fly ball, Edmonds struck out swinging, Renteria hit a sharp one-hopper, and Foulke did no jumping up and down until after he tossed it to first. I heard you guys were having a few nips of Jack Daniels during the games but I never suspected you were dropping acid too.

Seriously, how could so many obvious, blatant errors get into a book? Even if Damon’s memory was fuzzy, the co-author Golenbock or someone who works at the book company should have fixed it. I would have fixed ‘em all for the price of an autographed ball. Strangely I saw the same kind of thing recently in a book by golfer Johnny Miller, ‘I Call the Shots’. In FTM, on the other hand there was just that one little godson-grandson boo-boo and Seth cleared it up as quickly as possible.

As for the Series MVP issue, I agree that ‘Shaggy’ was a contender. But I think Foulke should have at least gotten co-MVP.

]]> By: ygbluig http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/01/26/process-vs-results-part-4183-in-a-continuing-series-the-myth-of-the-3-0-triple/#comment-6617 ygbluig Sat, 27 Jan 2007 03:05:49 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/01/26/process-vs-results-part-4183-in-a-continuing-series-the-myth-of-the-3-0-triple/#comment-6617 Shaggy McShouldHaveBeenSeriesMVP is a pretty odd nickname for Keith Foulke, isn't it? Shaggy McShouldHaveBeenSeriesMVP is a pretty odd nickname for Keith Foulke, isn’t it?

]]> By: Gee http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/01/26/process-vs-results-part-4183-in-a-continuing-series-the-myth-of-the-3-0-triple/#comment-6585 Gee Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:11:28 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/01/26/process-vs-results-part-4183-in-a-continuing-series-the-myth-of-the-3-0-triple/#comment-6585 Triple? Wasn't it a long double? <i>Ooops -- indeed it was. It would have been a mean feet to pull off a two-run, bases loaded triple...anyway, fixed. -- Seth</i> Triple? Wasn’t it a long double?

Ooops — indeed it was. It would have been a mean feet to pull off a two-run, bases loaded triple…anyway, fixed.
– Seth

]]> By: yerfatma http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/01/26/process-vs-results-part-4183-in-a-continuing-series-the-myth-of-the-3-0-triple/#comment-6584 yerfatma Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:41:21 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/01/26/process-vs-results-part-4183-in-a-continuing-series-the-myth-of-the-3-0-triple/#comment-6584 "Ding Honk" is a bit shorter than "Shaggy McShouldaBeenSeriesMVP". “Ding Honk” is a bit shorter than “Shaggy McShouldaBeenSeriesMVP”.

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