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Comments on: Meet the new ace…same as the old ace: The big Schill pulls a Pedro http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/02/01/meet-the-new-bosssame-as-the-old-boss-the-big-schill-pulls-a-pedro/ Media, Baseball, Boston, the Red Sox, Music, Literature, and Mnookins Sun, 20 Jul 2008 02:38:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: Dirty Carl Sports » Blog Archive » Blogdome: Wing It Up, People http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/02/01/meet-the-new-bosssame-as-the-old-boss-the-big-schill-pulls-a-pedro/#comment-7318 Tue, 06 Feb 2007 01:04:14 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/02/01/meet-the-new-bosssame-as-the-old-boss-the-big-schill-pulls-a-pedro/#comment-7318 [...] • It is time for another Wing Bowl! [The 700 Level] • Reasons to root for the Colts and the Bears. [The Loss Column] • Is anyone ever going to hit .400 again? [One More Dying Quail] • All kinds of great college basketball last night. [I Dislike Your Favorite Team] • The Bears might have all kinds of endorsement opportunities if they win Sunday. [The Beachwood Reporter] • What Jerry Maguire really meant for sports agents. [I Want To Be A Sports Agent] • Hey, maybe Bonds won’t get signed after all. [The Baseball Critic] • Jay Mariotti, on the campaign trail. [Boise Wants Jay] • Curt Schilling is starting to sound a lot like Pedro Martinez a few years ago. [SethMnookin.com] • Enough with the AFL, boys. [Valentine’s Views] [...] […] • It is time for another Wing Bowl! [The 700 Level] • Reasons to root for the Colts and the Bears. [The Loss Column] • Is anyone ever going to hit .400 again? [One More Dying Quail] • All kinds of great college basketball last night. [I Dislike Your Favorite Team] • The Bears might have all kinds of endorsement opportunities if they win Sunday. [The Beachwood Reporter] • What Jerry Maguire really meant for sports agents. [I Want To Be A Sports Agent] • Hey, maybe Bonds won’t get signed after all. [The Baseball Critic] • Jay Mariotti, on the campaign trail. [Boise Wants Jay] • Curt Schilling is starting to sound a lot like Pedro Martinez a few years ago. [SethMnookin.com] • Enough with the AFL, boys. [Valentine’s Views] […]

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by: rog http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/02/01/meet-the-new-bosssame-as-the-old-boss-the-big-schill-pulls-a-pedro/#comment-7085 Fri, 02 Feb 2007 23:53:11 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/02/01/meet-the-new-bosssame-as-the-old-boss-the-big-schill-pulls-a-pedro/#comment-7085 As far as negotiating through the media, I have to point out the inherent hypocrisy that lies therein. You've got a Boston sports media machinery that desperately needs this type of story (and quotes from the actual player, on top of it) that will keep people buying their papers, reading their websites and listening to their radio shows. A story like this is like crack cocaine to a drug addict. You'd think that media members would be happy to have something interesting to talk about, but then Schilling says something worth blogging about and he's accused of doing something 'through the media.' If the media members are offended by an honest quote, then they should take the high road and not talk about the contract situation. I've lived in cities where people calling in on radio shows were taken off the air for criticizing a manager's decision or a player with a crappy batting average. Boston media is incapable of taking the high road and I would think they'd be ecstatic that they have something to talk about other than the Celtics or the Bruins. But as usual, the Boston media is miserable. Just a miserable bunch of angry human beings. No individual member of the media (or blog like BDD) would ever fess up to trying to run a player out of town, but the pattern defies any type of worthy defense. Every one of you contribute a little piece to this enormous problem, you miserable bunch of humans. If the Boston media stopped making a huge mountain out of this contract 'situation,' then Schilling wouldn't be able to do <i>anything</i> through the media, much less negotiate a multi-million dollar contract. As far as negotiating through the media, I have to point out the inherent hypocrisy that lies therein. You’ve got a Boston sports media machinery that desperately needs this type of story (and quotes from the actual player, on top of it) that will keep people buying their papers, reading their websites and listening to their radio shows. A story like this is like crack cocaine to a drug addict. You’d think that media members would be happy to have something interesting to talk about, but then Schilling says something worth blogging about and he’s accused of doing something ‘through the media.’ If the media members are offended by an honest quote, then they should take the high road and not talk about the contract situation. I’ve lived in cities where people calling in on radio shows were taken off the air for criticizing a manager’s decision or a player with a crappy batting average. Boston media is incapable of taking the high road and I would think they’d be ecstatic that they have something to talk about other than the Celtics or the Bruins. But as usual, the Boston media is miserable. Just a miserable bunch of angry human beings. No individual member of the media (or blog like BDD) would ever fess up to trying to run a player out of town, but the pattern defies any type of worthy defense. Every one of you contribute a little piece to this enormous problem, you miserable bunch of humans. If the Boston media stopped making a huge mountain out of this contract ’situation,’ then Schilling wouldn’t be able to do anything through the media, much less negotiate a multi-million dollar contract.

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by: shmoozini http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/02/01/meet-the-new-bosssame-as-the-old-boss-the-big-schill-pulls-a-pedro/#comment-7073 Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:57:46 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/02/01/meet-the-new-bosssame-as-the-old-boss-the-big-schill-pulls-a-pedro/#comment-7073 Q: How much longer can Seth posture as insider par excellence on the basis of a book written on a season now about to be 3 years old? A: Probably as long as there are unsold FTMonster books and BDD is willing to shill for him while he's taking out Schill. Come now, is there much difference between Schilling negotiating thru the media and Seth desperately trying to sell his outdated book thru the media? P.S. Hard to imagine -- after the book -- that anyone in the Sox organization would provide Seth any information of such value that they would even give it to Shaughnessy. Q: How much longer can Seth posture as insider par excellence on the basis of a book written on a season now about to be 3 years old?

A: Probably as long as there are unsold FTMonster books and BDD is willing to shill for him while he’s taking out Schill. Come now, is there much difference between Schilling negotiating thru the media and Seth desperately trying to sell his outdated book thru the media?

P.S. Hard to imagine — after the book — that anyone in the Sox organization would provide Seth any information of such value that they would even give it to Shaughnessy.

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by: bwessels16 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/02/01/meet-the-new-bosssame-as-the-old-boss-the-big-schill-pulls-a-pedro/#comment-7064 Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:34:55 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/02/01/meet-the-new-bosssame-as-the-old-boss-the-big-schill-pulls-a-pedro/#comment-7064 This may have some Pedro echoes, but the fact is, this is short money for a #2 starter in today's market. And it's only a year. If the Sox are going to be risk-averse, why didn't they start with Matt Clement, Coco Crisp, Julio Lugo, or J.D. Drew? Why were they pursuing Helton? My word, this pales in comparison. This may have some Pedro echoes, but the fact is, this is short money for a #2 starter in today’s market. And it’s only a year. If the Sox are going to be risk-averse, why didn’t they start with Matt Clement, Coco Crisp, Julio Lugo, or J.D. Drew? Why were they pursuing Helton? My word, this pales in comparison.

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by: timbuktu82 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/02/01/meet-the-new-bosssame-as-the-old-boss-the-big-schill-pulls-a-pedro/#comment-7032 Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:14:27 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/02/01/meet-the-new-bosssame-as-the-old-boss-the-big-schill-pulls-a-pedro/#comment-7032 I am completely taken back with your use of the word "Jihad" in the first paragraph of your posting. It is culturally unsensitive to throw that word around if you do not fully understand its meaning. I am completely taken back with your use of the word “Jihad” in the first paragraph of your posting. It is culturally unsensitive to throw that word around if you do not fully understand its meaning.

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by: fredgarvin http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/02/01/meet-the-new-bosssame-as-the-old-boss-the-big-schill-pulls-a-pedro/#comment-7031 Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:36:13 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/02/01/meet-the-new-bosssame-as-the-old-boss-the-big-schill-pulls-a-pedro/#comment-7031 You criticize Schilling for negotiating through the media. I would ask the same question of the Red Sox. Is the Red Sox front office using Mnookin to negotiate through the media? Last year, this is the team that had to rely on guys named Gabbard, Pauley, Snyder and Johnson for starting pitching. Oh! And let us not forget they traded away Arroyo. Did they not learn their lesson that you cannot have too much starting pitching? And now, they actually have to think about whether or not they want to extend Schilling’s contract for one year. Perhaps they would prefer to have him in pinstripes in 2008. Once he hits free agency, all bets are off – no team is off limits. Just ask Johnny Damon. And for those who question whether Schilling would be worth $13M in 2008, take a look at the contracts that Ted Lilly and Gil Meche just signed. And don’t forget what Matt Clement is being paid, either. If Schilling gives you a full season of .500 baseball, $13M for 1 year is not outrageous by today’s standard. It seems like many of the people that criticize Schilling focus on the fact that he is opinionated. That has nothing to do with baseball. They don’t focus on ERA, SO, BB, IP, etc. They will mention his age as a concern as well but I wonder if they were voicing similar concerns about age when the possibility that Clemens might come back to Boston was raised. <i>They're only negotiating through me if they're using secret mind-control techniques or ESP. I haven't spoken to anyone over there about this. What's more, if they wanted to launch a PR campaign of their own and my blog was the best they could do...well, I'd be worried. -- Seth</i> You criticize Schilling for negotiating through the media. I would ask the same question of the Red Sox. Is the Red Sox front office using Mnookin to negotiate through the media?

Last year, this is the team that had to rely on guys named Gabbard, Pauley, Snyder and Johnson for starting pitching. Oh! And let us not forget they traded away Arroyo. Did they not learn their lesson that you cannot have too much starting pitching? And now, they actually have to think about whether or not they want to extend Schilling’s contract for one year. Perhaps they would prefer to have him in pinstripes in 2008. Once he hits free agency, all bets are off – no team is off limits. Just ask Johnny Damon.

And for those who question whether Schilling would be worth $13M in 2008, take a look at the contracts that Ted Lilly and Gil Meche just signed. And don’t forget what Matt Clement is being paid, either. If Schilling gives you a full season of .500 baseball, $13M for 1 year is not outrageous by today’s standard.

It seems like many of the people that criticize Schilling focus on the fact that he is opinionated. That has nothing to do with baseball. They don’t focus on ERA, SO, BB, IP, etc. They will mention his age as a concern as well but I wonder if they were voicing similar concerns about age when the possibility that Clemens might come back to Boston was raised.

They’re only negotiating through me if they’re using secret mind-control techniques or ESP. I haven’t spoken to anyone over there about this. What’s more, if they wanted to launch a PR campaign of their own and my blog was the best they could do…well, I’d be worried.

– Seth

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by: Gee http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/02/01/meet-the-new-bosssame-as-the-old-boss-the-big-schill-pulls-a-pedro/#comment-7028 Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:50:08 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/02/01/meet-the-new-bosssame-as-the-old-boss-the-big-schill-pulls-a-pedro/#comment-7028 <i>it doesn’t seem unreasonable to think that pedro, being from a different culture, and not being a native english speaker, simply communicates in a way that would raise not a single eyebrow among his native countrymen, but that occassionally rubs some american sports fans the wrong way. </i> it doesn’t seem unreasonable to think that pedro, being from a different culture, and not being a native english speaker, simply communicates in a way that would raise not a single eyebrow among his native countrymen, but that occassionally rubs some american sports fans the wrong way.

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