Comments on: Darkman and Gagne and Paps, oh my http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/08/02/darkman-and-gagne-and-paps-oh-my/ Media, Baseball, Boston, the Red Sox, Music, Literature, and Mnookins Fri, 16 May 2008 19:03:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: The Feeding the Monster Blog — In which the author discusses Boston, the Red Sox, the media, and very occasionally popular music. » Down by Law: Type A, B free agents http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/08/02/darkman-and-gagne-and-paps-oh-my/#comment-134446 Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:41:57 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/08/02/darkman-and-gagne-and-paps-oh-my/#comment-134446 [...] The other day I (incorrectly) wrote that if/when Gagne signs with another team next year, the Sox will get two draft picks. That’s not true; Gagne needs to first be classified as a Type A free agent (which he almost certainly will end up being). The Type A/Type B free agent classification is one of those arcane subjects that many of the better informed baseball fans couldn’t explain; thankfully, we have ESPN’s Keith Law, who, by any measure, is in my top 5 baseball writers (Bradford, Neyer, and Posnanski are up there, too). Here’s Law’s quick rundown: [...] […] The other day I (incorrectly) wrote that if/when Gagne signs with another team next year, the Sox will get two draft picks. That’s not true; Gagne needs to first be classified as a Type A free agent (which he almost certainly will end up being). The Type A/Type B free agent classification is one of those arcane subjects that many of the better informed baseball fans couldn’t explain; thankfully, we have ESPN’s Keith Law, who, by any measure, is in my top 5 baseball writers (Bradford, Neyer, and Posnanski are up there, too). Here’s Law’s quick rundown: […]

]]> by: rln2433 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/08/02/darkman-and-gagne-and-paps-oh-my/#comment-130214 Sat, 04 Aug 2007 04:57:58 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/08/02/darkman-and-gagne-and-paps-oh-my/#comment-130214 Great work by Timlin tonight... Great work by Timlin tonight…

]]> by: rln2433 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/08/02/darkman-and-gagne-and-paps-oh-my/#comment-130190 Sat, 04 Aug 2007 04:48:32 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/08/02/darkman-and-gagne-and-paps-oh-my/#comment-130190 I am really not sure why everyone is so in love with Lester. He does not have command of his stuff which is not that exceptional to begin with and in watching him tonight in Seattle and his last start in Tampa it looks a lot like last year. 100 pitches and out after 5-6 innings, lots of pitches per inning and per batter, pitching behind in the count, leaving stuff over the plate and once someone gets on things go down hill for him. I don't think he's matured enough to deserve a spot in the rotation. He's certainly not going to be more than a 3/4 guy if and when he figures it out though. Buchholz and Masterson seem to be the next two blessed with expectations on them. Maybe they will have the killer instinct to make the jump. Hansen fell apart mechanically and according to Gammons it has a lot to do with his agent, Boras who has his own coaches telling their clients how to do things. Plus, the kid just doesn't appear to be all that bright and he doesn't have the brass set that Papelbon brings to the park. It's a shame really because he might turn out to be a waste of a 1st round pick. I am really not sure why everyone is so in love with Lester. He does not have command of his stuff which is not that exceptional to begin with and in watching him tonight in Seattle and his last start in Tampa it looks a lot like last year. 100 pitches and out after 5-6 innings, lots of pitches per inning and per batter, pitching behind in the count, leaving stuff over the plate and once someone gets on things go down hill for him. I don’t think he’s matured enough to deserve a spot in the rotation. He’s certainly not going to be more than a 3/4 guy if and when he figures it out though.

Buchholz and Masterson seem to be the next two blessed with expectations on them. Maybe they will have the killer instinct to make the jump.

Hansen fell apart mechanically and according to Gammons it has a lot to do with his agent, Boras who has his own coaches telling their clients how to do things. Plus, the kid just doesn’t appear to be all that bright and he doesn’t have the brass set that Papelbon brings to the park. It’s a shame really because he might turn out to be a waste of a 1st round pick.

]]> by: tinisoli http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/08/02/darkman-and-gagne-and-paps-oh-my/#comment-129297 Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:26:35 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/08/02/darkman-and-gagne-and-paps-oh-my/#comment-129297 Might as well count Daisuke and Beckett, too, if we're including Wang for the Yankees and Papelbon for the Sox (an under 27 list, it seems). Essentially the point is that the Sox have good young pitching of both the proven and unproven variety, and the Yankees have some unproven talent and a proven commodity in Wang. Might as well count Daisuke and Beckett, too, if we’re including Wang for the Yankees and Papelbon for the Sox (an under 27 list, it seems). Essentially the point is that the Sox have good young pitching of both the proven and unproven variety, and the Yankees have some unproven talent and a proven commodity in Wang.

]]> by: rog http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/08/02/darkman-and-gagne-and-paps-oh-my/#comment-129185 Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:48:25 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/08/02/darkman-and-gagne-and-paps-oh-my/#comment-129185 The Sox also have Daniel Bard...and Masterson. The Sox also have Daniel Bard…and Masterson.

]]> by: PaulZuvella http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/08/02/darkman-and-gagne-and-paps-oh-my/#comment-129038 Fri, 03 Aug 2007 13:44:46 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/08/02/darkman-and-gagne-and-paps-oh-my/#comment-129038 "That said, the Red Sox still have the best collection of young pitchers/rising prospects in the game: Papelbon, Lester, Delcarmen, David Pauley, Clay Buccholz" Most prospect "experts" think the Yanks have the best young pitching talent in the league in Joba, Hughes, Kennedy, Horne, Betances, Wang and Marquez, and I'd have to agree. The Sox do have nice young pitching talent though. It seems the rivalry should be strong for the next few years. “That said, the Red Sox still have the best collection of young pitchers/rising prospects in the game: Papelbon, Lester, Delcarmen, David Pauley, Clay Buccholz”

Most prospect “experts” think the Yanks have the best young pitching talent in the league in Joba, Hughes, Kennedy, Horne, Betances, Wang and Marquez, and I’d have to agree. The Sox do have nice young pitching talent though. It seems the rivalry should be strong for the next few years.

]]> by: HFXBOB http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/08/02/darkman-and-gagne-and-paps-oh-my/#comment-127660 Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:10:07 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2007/08/02/darkman-and-gagne-and-paps-oh-my/#comment-127660 After today's lovely beating, Clemens' year to date record stands at 3-5, 4.23 ERA. It's just a pity he escaped the loss he deserved today, 3-6 would really enhance the crappiness. One thing that stands out in his numbers-only 43 K in 69 innings, for a supposed power pitcher. Oh yeah, and he turns 45 on Saturday. Hey Yankees, think maybe y'all overpaid a bit for this old horse? Go ahead and boo him, he's earned it. After today’s lovely beating, Clemens’ year to date record stands at 3-5, 4.23 ERA. It’s just a pity he escaped the loss he deserved today, 3-6 would really enhance the crappiness. One thing that stands out in his numbers-only 43 K in 69 innings, for a supposed power pitcher. Oh yeah, and he turns 45 on Saturday. Hey Yankees, think maybe y’all overpaid a bit for this old horse? Go ahead and boo him, he’s earned it.

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