Comments on: Dipping my toe back in the pool: on Johan and Schill http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2008/02/10/dipping-my-toe-back-in-the-pool-on-johan-and-schill/ Media, Baseball, Boston, the Red Sox, Music, Literature, and Mnookins Mon, 12 May 2008 00:10:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: JoelShoe http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2008/02/10/dipping-my-toe-back-in-the-pool-on-johan-and-schill/#comment-387858 Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:44:12 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2008/02/10/dipping-my-toe-back-in-the-pool-on-johan-and-schill/#comment-387858 This whole post looks to me like a big misdirection play. You've got news to report/comment on. That news makes some person or entity -- Schilling, the Red Sox doctors, the Red Sox front office, maybe all three -- look pretty bad. And you spend the column ragging on... Murray Chass? We know Chass is an idiot. But this post leaves the distinct impression that you are unwilling to criticize the actual people who were directly involved with this story. This whole post looks to me like a big misdirection play.

You’ve got news to report/comment on. That news makes some person or entity — Schilling, the Red Sox doctors, the Red Sox front office, maybe all three — look pretty bad. And you spend the column ragging on… Murray Chass? We know Chass is an idiot. But this post leaves the distinct impression that you are unwilling to criticize the actual people who were directly involved with this story.

]]> by: tinisoli http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2008/02/10/dipping-my-toe-back-in-the-pool-on-johan-and-schill/#comment-387779 Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:37:24 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2008/02/10/dipping-my-toe-back-in-the-pool-on-johan-and-schill/#comment-387779 I never imagined that the Sox were serious about Santana, what with the money he was asking for (rightfully so, in light of Zito's deal). But it seemed like a good move to get in the mix and prevent Johan from going to another AL East team, if nothing else. It's hard to imagine them offering what the Mets offered for any star pitcher, even one a little younger than Johan. And I'm glad to see they didn't give up the kids, especially Ellsbury. One thing that two WS titles in four years will buy you is some patience among the fans as far as giving the youth movement a shot. I'm fine waiting a few more years to win the next trophy if it means we get to do so with the lads guns who came up through the system. Going out and buying a Santana or a Miguel Cabrera doesn't feel necessary in the way it did after '03 or '06. But the Schilling business seems odd. On the one hand, Sox "sources" are implying that they knew all along that Curt might pitch only half a season in 2008, but then $8 million for half a season seems like a hefty RAISE, doesn't it? Shouldn't they have offered $5 million guaranteed plus $8 in incentives? I never imagined that the Sox were serious about Santana, what with the money he was asking for (rightfully so, in light of Zito’s deal). But it seemed like a good move to get in the mix and prevent Johan from going to another AL East team, if nothing else. It’s hard to imagine them offering what the Mets offered for any star pitcher, even one a little younger than Johan. And I’m glad to see they didn’t give up the kids, especially Ellsbury. One thing that two WS titles in four years will buy you is some patience among the fans as far as giving the youth movement a shot. I’m fine waiting a few more years to win the next trophy if it means we get to do so with the lads guns who came up through the system. Going out and buying a Santana or a Miguel Cabrera doesn’t feel necessary in the way it did after ‘03 or ‘06.

But the Schilling business seems odd. On the one hand, Sox “sources” are implying that they knew all along that Curt might pitch only half a season in 2008, but then $8 million for half a season seems like a hefty RAISE, doesn’t it? Shouldn’t they have offered $5 million guaranteed plus $8 in incentives?

]]> by: lperdue http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2008/02/10/dipping-my-toe-back-in-the-pool-on-johan-and-schill/#comment-386828 Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:32:48 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2008/02/10/dipping-my-toe-back-in-the-pool-on-johan-and-schill/#comment-386828 Dude, great to have you back. I can sympathize with the shrinking bank account issue. As I've learned over the years of working for myself: your account balance is the only difference between self-employed and un-employed. Dude, great to have you back. I can sympathize with the shrinking bank account issue. As I’ve learned over the years of working for myself: your account balance is the only difference between self-employed and un-employed.

]]> by: Andrew G http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2008/02/10/dipping-my-toe-back-in-the-pool-on-johan-and-schill/#comment-386533 Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:33:15 +0000 http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2008/02/10/dipping-my-toe-back-in-the-pool-on-johan-and-schill/#comment-386533 Seth - Love the book and the blog and its great to see you back. Maybe it is because I thought the rumored Ellsbury and Lester offers were too rich, I was never fully convinced the sox were ready to give up that much to sign Santana to a $150M deal. Do you think there was ever a possibility of agreement on the players but the deal falling through (ie the sox offering Santana a smaller contract than he would accept)? Really an exercise in futility anyway. Also - I think you meant Hinske signed with the Rays, not Jays. Seth - Love the book and the blog and its great to see you back. Maybe it is because I thought the rumored Ellsbury and Lester offers were too rich, I was never fully convinced the sox were ready to give up that much to sign Santana to a $150M deal. Do you think there was ever a possibility of agreement on the players but the deal falling through (ie the sox offering Santana a smaller contract than he would accept)? Really an exercise in futility anyway.

Also - I think you meant Hinske signed with the Rays, not Jays.

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